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The elites vs the brutes!

  • Who win would the war (or any other fight) the elites or the brutes?! Also who do you think is stronger and tougher?

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    • I think that while brutes are stronger, elites would win in any circumstance. Elites can use precision weapons, which brutes are only shown using once (Halo: Reach, New Alexandria, Hospital). They can both use medium/close range weapons, and are equally matched in that. Elites have better tactics, ships, and leadership than brutes. I think the battle would be somewhat one-sided.

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    • it would be like humanity vs. Covvies, WITH THE SAME TECH. humans would be the elites and the v\brutes woulld be covvies. if humanity had the same tech the war would have been very different, as its shown with the UNSC Infinity

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    • Brutes with percisoin weapons were in The Package. they wee given a wave to attack halsey's lab.

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    • The Brutes have the "brute force" and pound for pound stronger are than the Elites. However, the Elitles would win considering that are smarter then brutes, and also know how to use Covanent weapons better. Remember, the Eiltes beat the Brutes when they were outnumbered 3 to 1 over Installation 00. This is all considering though, the brutes don't start fighting amaongest themselves, which would make this "fight" end much quicker. 

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    • Add a Poll please.

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    • Yes, the occasional brute would be weilding a needle rifle in reach, however elites had focus rifles, the next tier up.  Brutes could hit an elite from maybe a hundred meters max. Elites could make a kilometer kill shot with the focus rile.

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    • The brutes are rough andd tough but are pathetic compared to elites in reach, with 8 skulls on elites are like brutes with shields, and have more health. In Reach, when a brute charges at me I'm not scared, when an elite does, I am. And elites have sniped me from so far away its crazy. Elites are better, big time.....

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    • 108.48.67.122 wrote:
      The brutes are rough and tough but are pathetic compared to elites in reach, with 8 skulls on heroic elites are like brutes with shields, and have more health. In Reach, when a brute charges at me I'm not scared, when an elite does, I am. And elites have sniped me from so far away its crazy. Elites are better, big time.....


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    • Remeber in Halo 2, brutes were so overpowered, Bungie did not put a limit on the brutes. But that is fixed in Halo 3

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    • The Brutes were more resilient without shields than they were with them

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    • IT IS SO ONE SIDED!! the elites would win. It is like a human versus a gorilla. No competition.

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    • Halo 2 brutes were overpowered, they could chuck a grenade farther than an elite or grunt, and would go berserk if you killed one of their packs. Halo 3 brutes were funny and did not pose any threat............ To me that is...........

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    • Besides in Reach it takes longer for a brute to throw a grenade than an elite. An elite almost throws it like a player. Brutes just through it slow and eeven grunts beat their speed at throwing a plasma.

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    • 108.48.67.122 wrote: Halo 2 brutes were overpowered, they could chuck a grenade farther than an elite or grunt, and would go berserk if you killed one of their packs. Halo 3 brutes were funny and did not pose any threat............ To me that is...........

      Ya I like making them drop their sniper guns and go berserk when I snip them from a distance.:)

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    • Brutes were easy in halo 2, i just killed them with either a carbine or needler. At least in Halo 3 they had better armor and were some what more tactical. Halo 2 didn't have the cheiftain charging you with a gravity hammer with full shields. 

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    • True but that armor kept falling off, and it was nothing but matalic plated armor covering their bear naked bodies, comfortable=0

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    • cause it was cheaper then etile armor but brutes could absorb more damage. 

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    • A regular human can absorb more damage then a elite to when drunk.

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote: Brutes were easy in halo 2, i just killed them with either a carbine or needler. At least in Halo 3 they had better armor and were some what more tactical. Halo 2 didn't have the cheiftain charging you with a gravity hammer with full shields. 

      in halo 2 the brutes were the most dangerous enemy and that was a mistake by bungie

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    • I didn't find them that hard. Sure, they could absorb a lot of damage but that was there only good quailty. If they charged me, I just keepd shoot ing if until they drop. Also, since they had no shielding, they were a lot easier to headshot then elites. I realize their armor in Halo 3 was not as good as the elites but atleast there weren't damage sponges any more. They used simple tactics and would use their current weapon to their advantage. 

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    • You know we did see the result of what would happen in Halo 2 and Halo 3(mostly).

      Just saying....

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    • Ya, the sanghili kick those brutes butts off!!!

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    • Individually, brutes are tougher than elites. As an entire faction, I think the Elites would take the win. The brutes are prone to overreacting and charging blindly while blood-lusted (Elites are also guilty of charging in just for the honour of a kill). Brutes can definetly tank a lot of hits, without armour, but they aren't as tactically competent as Elites. Sure, they're great combatants, but on large scale conflicts, the Elites would slaughter the brutes through superior tactical competence.

      On small-scale conflicts, the win would more than likely go to the brutes.

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    • Brutes may not be as stupid as they want us to think they are, but elites are definitely the more intelligent!

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    • 108.48.67.122 wrote:
      Halo 2 brutes were overpowered, they could chuck a grenade farther than an elite or grunt, and would go berserk if you killed one of their packs. Halo 3 brutes were funny and did not pose any threat............ To me that is...........

      Yah ,but halo 2 brutes didn't have brute chieftan. Lets call it even.

      However, most halo 3 brutes were awful because my marines would own them on legendary quite frequently (except in close combat) ,however halo 3 elites weren't thatt great either. Infact, the halo 3 elites with needlers, carbines, energy swords,  sniper rifles and fuel rod guns (which I gave them) were still only equals with my marines (except for in close combat). Up close them dominated the brutes and mopped the floor with them. THe only brutes that were tough for the elites and marines were brute captains who still weren't that good. They could still barely handle one marine or elite.

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    • The enemy AI was wacky in Halo 3, sometimes they were easy, other times it was hard as hell. 

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    • For me, they kept berserk leaping off the platforms.

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    • Unnamed Field Marshall wrote: For me, they kept berserk leaping off the platforms.

      Coun'ta made a better example, that definitely deserves a great big http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwxu5VHWvjw for the brutes!

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    • Halo 2 was introducing brutes which bungie did not know how powerful they would make the brutes, bungie thought," Hmmmm...... should we make the brutes weak, or overlypowered badasses, hmmmmmmm, I know overlypowered badasses." And totally destroyed the marines, arbiter, chief, hunters, anything. In halo 2 they should of had a marine say when he see's a brute take down a hunter and elite," Brute beats everything!"

      Reference from halo 3 the ark, "Tank beats everything!"

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    • Would be nice if we could drive a rhino in the v.g.p. campaign.

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    • Grizzlies

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    • Lord of the STARS
      Lord of the STARS removed this reply because:
      I waited long enough, he either saw it or some one bad will.
      03:20, April 20, 2014
      This reply has been removed

      Unnamed Field Marshall wrote: Grizzlies

      sos http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:330724#457

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    • 108.28.18.215 wrote:
      Halo 2 was introducing brutes which bungie did not know how powerful they would make the brutes, bungie thought," Hmmmm...... should we make the brutes weak, or overlypowered badasses, hmmmmmmm, I know overlypowered badasses." And totally destroyed the marines, arbiter, chief, hunters, anything. In halo 2 they should of had a marine say when he see's a brute take down a hunter and elite," Brute beats everything!"

      Reference from halo 3 the ark, "Tank beats everything!"

      Well brutes being able to take down elites isn't that much of a big deal unless they are hunters or zealots. Or maybe stealth elites. In gameplay (no matter what halo you play) the average marine is about equal to a elite unless it gets too close. However, if we are talking about councilors (platinum),  zealots (gold), and ultra elites (silver) then that will take some real skill. However, normally I see marines put up good fights against elites and often win unless its close combat. By the way the grunts and jackals do make a diffeence when their helping the elites (due to numbers).

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    • Ya grunts breed fast jackals can be bribed into adding much bigger numbers.

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    • In halo 3 when a chieftain is charging at you, you can wait until he does his most common move, He sweeps the area with his hammer and all you have to do is side step and hit him from behind. It's that easy. But if the chieftain has his body guards then your screwed. Let the chieftain come to you don't come to him, thats a suiciide mission. Halo reach brute chieftains were awesome, they had grey hair when you shot off his helmet( Grey hair is a highly respective thing in brute culture) which was very accurate. Good job bungie.

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    • It's like a komodo dragon vs a gorrilla, the gorrilla has great strength, but if the komodo dragon is stealthly then the gorrilla won't know what hit em.

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    • 108.28.18.215 wrote:
      Halo reach brute chieftains were awesome, they had grey hair when you shot off his helmet( Grey hair is a highly respective thing in brute culture) which was very accurate. Good job bungie.

      Very accurate? You do understand that Bungie created Halo, and at the time of Reach, Bungie still owned the Halo franchise. Anything they did to the brutes would have been canonically accurate. It's their series. They could have done whatever the hell they wanted with it. 

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    • NG101 wrote:

      108.28.18.215 wrote:
      Halo reach brute chieftains were awesome, they had grey hair when you shot off his helmet( Grey hair is a highly respective thing in brute culture) which was very accurate. Good job bungie.

      Very accurate? You do understand that Bungie created Halo, and at the time of Reach, Bungie still owned the Halo franchise. Anything they did to the brutes would have been canonically accurate. It's their series. They could have done whatever the hell they wanted with it. 

      Could they have made it brute coulter to consider black eyes a traditional stile they do every morning like humans brushing their teeth?

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:

      NG101 wrote:

      108.28.18.215 wrote:
      Halo reach brute chieftains were awesome, they had grey hair when you shot off his helmet( Grey hair is a highly respective thing in brute culture) which was very accurate. Good job bungie.
      Very accurate? You do understand that Bungie created Halo, and at the time of Reach, Bungie still owned the Halo franchise. Anything they did to the brutes would have been canonically accurate. It's their series. They could have done whatever the hell they wanted with it. 
      Could they have made it brute coulter to consider black eyes a traditional stile they do every morning like humans brushing their teeth?

      They owned Halo. They could have retconned every brute to look like the tooth fairy if they so pleased.

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    • Yah, but at least they put time into the details of the covenant.

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    • hey you know what they say:) their not like google ruining youtube.

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    • Brutes are fairly easy to kill,just tag them with a sticky grenade,or needle them(this still works with 8 skulls on)on heroic,legendary.

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    • Elites can also be easily killed (and to a certain degree brutes too) with the plasma pistol and any precision weapon. Or my personal favorite, pop their shields, elite screams, line up the easy head shot. 

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    • I like to use suicide grunts to kill brutes by making them run into the brute and have more grunts try it so they to can be tricked into running into a brute instead.

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    • Elites were always superior, think, what major battle have the brutes one that is recorded in halo history? None. The elites took over so many planets and had superior weaponary, In 2300, the brutes did not even have a radio! A radio, really, how can they not figure out in thousands, or millions of years to make a simply device. When the covenant came to the homeworld of the brutes, the brutes were dominated so fast by the covenant its not even funny. Elites were always superior, even in the government.

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    • 108.28.18.215 wrote: Elites were always superior, think, what major battle have the brutes one that is recorded in halo history? None. The elites took over so many planets and had superior weaponary, In 2300, the brutes did not even have a radio! A radio, really, how can they not figure out in thousands, or millions of years to make a simply device. When the covenant came to the homeworld of the brutes, the brutes were dominated so fast by the covenant its not even funny. Elites were always superior, even in the government.

      Same reason human technology developed so slow, their was far to often a bully on the through who figured if he allowed his subjects to learn they would know the leader he killed to be on the through was better suited then he was. In result of no one learning, no one invented very fast.

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    • Brutes were the brawn while the Elites were the brains, or at least that's what we were meant to believe.

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    • That's how the also play. I mean, they are pretty equal because they are supposed to cancel each other out. 

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    • Unnamed Field Marshall wrote: Brutes were the brawn while the Elites were the brains, or at least that's what we were meant to believe.

      Actually elites are brain and brawn their for beat both. Makes sense anyway, how can one be strong with out being smart anyway? Can one exercise the brain more effectively when not exercising the body? Heck no.

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    • He meant the brutes were stronger then the elites, while the elites are smarter. 

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote: He meant the brutes were stronger then the elites, while the elites are smarter. 

      so very very.

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    • General B.H. wrote:
      108.28.18.215 wrote:
      Halo 2 was introducing brutes which bungie did not know how powerful they would make the brutes, bungie thought," Hmmmm...... should we make the brutes weak, or overlypowered badasses, hmmmmmmm, I know overlypowered badasses." And totally destroyed the marines, arbiter, chief, hunters, anything. In halo 2 they should of had a marine say when he see's a brute take down a hunter and elite," Brute beats everything!"

      Reference from halo 3 the ark, "Tank beats everything!"

      Well brutes being able to take down elites isn't that much of a big deal unless they are hunters or zealots. Or maybe stealth elites. In gameplay (no matter what halo you play) the average marine is about equal to a elite unless it gets too close. However, if we are talking about councilors (platinum),  zealots (gold), and ultra elites (silver) then that will take some real skill. However, normally I see marines put up good fights against elites and often win unless its close combat. By the way the grunts and jackals do make a diffeence when their helping the elites (due to numbers).

      Can't use gameplay as a canonical example. In the books, both elites and brutes slaughtered marines. Plasma would kill them with one or two shots. But in game, it wouldn't be fun to have all your marines die at the start of the mission, forcing you to continue on your own, right? So bungie nerfed the enemies a bit, but they are still canonically superior.

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    • Atas 'Rasuvai wrote:

      General B.H. wrote:
      108.28.18.215 wrote:
      Halo 2 was introducing brutes which bungie did not know how powerful they would make the brutes, bungie thought," Hmmmm...... should we make the brutes weak, or overlypowered badasses, hmmmmmmm, I know overlypowered badasses." And totally destroyed the marines, arbiter, chief, hunters, anything. In halo 2 they should of had a marine say when he see's a brute take down a hunter and elite," Brute beats everything!"

      Reference from halo 3 the ark, "Tank beats everything!"

      Well brutes being able to take down elites isn't that much of a big deal unless they are hunters or zealots. Or maybe stealth elites. In gameplay (no matter what halo you play) the average marine is about equal to a elite unless it gets too close. However, if we are talking about councilors (platinum),  zealots (gold), and ultra elites (silver) then that will take some real skill. However, normally I see marines put up good fights against elites and often win unless its close combat. By the way the grunts and jackals do make a diffeence when their helping the elites (due to numbers).

      Can't use gameplay as a canonical example. In the books, both elites and brutes slaughtered marines. Plasma would kill them with one or two shots. But in game, it wouldn't be fun to have all your marines die at the start of the mission, forcing you to continue on your own, right? So bungie nerfed the enemies a bit, but they are still canonically superior.

      Hey come to think of it, in defense that only proves your point about nerfed weapons not being 90mm, how many bullets dose it take to kill? Ushely only 1 or 2. Besides, woun't the humans eventfully learn how to make proper plasma proof armor as well as the covenant make proper bullet proof? Besides, in the game back round character humans health recharges. Definitely not 90mm.

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    • Hey I you know how covenant plasma weapons are a lot more powerful in the books to the point of melting through armor giving 3rd degree burns causing insaying pain and killing a human solder in just 1 near miss? Weal with my electric insect racket I have given flies up to 4 direct hits, they got zapped, but had still been alive, though still able to fly only 1 zap ago. Are humans weaker then insects?

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:
      Hey I you know how covenant plasma weapons are a lot more powerful in the books to the point of melting through armor giving 3rd degree burns causing insaying pain and killing a human solder in just 1 near miss? Weal with my electric insect racket I have given flies up to 4 direct hits, they got zapped, but had still been alive, though still able to fly only 1 zap ago. Are humans weaker then insects?

      Manufacturers aren't going to throw megajoules into an electric bug zapper. If you shot a fly with a plasma rifle, it would probably be vaporized.

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    • NG101 wrote:

      Lord of the STARS wrote:
      Hey I you know how covenant plasma weapons are a lot more powerful in the books to the point of melting through armor giving 3rd degree burns causing insaying pain and killing a human solder in just 1 near miss? Weal with my electric insect racket I have given flies up to 4 direct hits, they got zapped, but had still been alive, though still able to fly only 1 zap ago. Are humans weaker then insects?

      Manufacturers aren't going to throw megajoules into an electric bug zapper. If you shot a fly with a plasma rifle, it would probably be vaporized.

      Yes but when ever I do people yell at me to stop blowing holes in their walls:( ruuude.

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    • Everybody knows that elites are just better, physcially  and mentally.(And then the crowd gets angry and argues at me saying that brutes are stronger.)

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    • 108.28.18.215 wrote:
      Everybody knows that elites are just better, physcially  and mentally.(And then the crowd gets angry and argues at me saying that brutes are stronger.)

      Brutes are stronger. Elites are smarter.

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    • NG101 wrote:
      108.28.18.215 wrote:
      Everybody knows that elites are just better, physcially  and mentally.(And then the crowd gets angry and argues at me saying that brutes are stronger.)
      Brutes are stronger. Elites are smarter.

      Hence the name "brutes". 

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    • I think I know what halo 5's main theme is going to be about, maybe Chief is on the ark, looking for an AI which I forget his name and then runs into the arbiter, and remeber the arbiter thinks 117 is dead and then the 2 team up and then the didact comes back and starts murding everything. And Jul Mdama then comes in and tries to kill chief and the arbiter. Then 117 finds the AI in the ark that knows a lot about the flood, promeatheans and covies are attacking chief and arby then the flood comes out of nowhere and tears up the place, then in the end (possibly)  the arby and didact have a showdown and arby is injured or killed, then the didact about to kill chief is then saved by the flood which take over his body. And then chief takes the arbiter (if he is wounded) and gets on a the infinity which is over the ark and barely escape(with or without arby) and that is what could possible be halo 5's theme. below comment and i will check what u think. Btw this took a lot of brainstorming. Thanks! 

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    • Badly written but i was in a rush.

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    • and still I know this has nothing to do with elites vs brutes but this is what i summed up....

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    • 108.28.18.215 wrote: I think I know what halo 5's main theme is going to be about, maybe Chief is on the ark, looking for an AI which I forget his name and then runs into the arbiter, and remeber the arbiter thinks 117 is dead and then the 2 team up and then the didact comes back and starts murding everything. And Jul Mdama then comes in and tries to kill chief and the arbiter. Then 117 finds the AI in the ark that knows a lot about the flood, promeatheans and covies are attacking chief and arby then the flood comes out of nowhere and tears up the place, then in the end (possibly)  the arby and didact have a showdown and arby is injured or killed, then the didact about to kill chief is then saved by the flood which take over his body. And then chief takes the arbiter (if he is wounded) and gets on a the infinity which is over the ark and barely escape(with or without arby) and that is what could possible be halo 5's theme. below comment and i will check what u think. Btw this took a lot of brainstorming. Thanks! 

      .... I'm about to say something... then realize the most likely reaction and shut my molth....

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    • Why would he go back to the ark? The ending of Halo 3 damaged the hell out of it, unless you're talking about the greater or lesser ark. 

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    • 108.28.18.215 wrote:
      I think I know what halo 5's main theme is going to be about, maybe Chief is on the ark, looking for an AI which I forget his name and then runs into the arbiter, and remeber the arbiter thinks 117 is dead and then the 2 team up and then the didact comes back and starts murding everything. And Jul Mdama then comes in and tries to kill chief and the arbiter. Then 117 finds the AI in the ark that knows a lot about the flood, promeatheans and covies are attacking chief and arby then the flood comes out of nowhere and tears up the place, then in the end (possibly)  the arby and didact have a showdown and arby is injured or killed, then the didact about to kill chief is then saved by the flood which take over his body. And then chief takes the arbiter (if he is wounded) and gets on a the infinity which is over the ark and barely escape(with or without arby) and that is what could possible be halo 5's theme. below comment and i will check what u think. Btw this took a lot of brainstorming. Thanks! 

      I really don`t think this belongs in the "Elites vs Brutes" thread. I suggest moving this else were. Due to the fact that it discusses possible events of halo 5, not "Elites vs Brutes".

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    • thanks I been looking for this thread.:) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO-0daDnumg

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:
      thanks I been looking for this thread.:) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO-0daDnumg

      So, STARS, how's Anniversary?

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    • Commando Trooper wrote:

      Lord of the STARS wrote:
      thanks I been looking for this thread.:) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO-0daDnumg

      So, STARS, how's Anniversary?

      Going great so far:) I love the unnerfed weapons, hate the obsolete Spartan armor. Constantly looking for med packs, I would heal before I even find the dang things.

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    • Elites are superior to brutes. Elites are stratgiests and brutes are brutes..... they just charge in there and get themselves killed.

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    • I always did begin to wonder when fighting brutes from their strategies if they are actually far far more intelligent then they want us to think. Turns out, it was just instinct.

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    • 108.28.18.215 wrote:
      Elites are superior to brutes. Elites are stratgiests and brutes are brutes..... they just charge in there and get themselves killed.

      But they are just in being so wild. In-universe, there are few things that can go head to head with a brute and come out with its limbs intact. In the books, Brutes are even stated as being strong enough to rip Spartans in armour in half (or something of the sort).

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    • Brutes are a lot tougher than elites individually but even then a elite could just outsmart a brute so yeah I think an elite would win. Then again brutes can be tactical but they are simply too zealous and aggressive and prone to their natural instincts unlike elites who love tactics honour and stuff so even though I quite like the brutes I think that the elites would win overall

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    • Believe it or not though having higher intelligence actually doesn't mean you are less subject to your instinct, it actually means your instincts are stronger, yet, more eloquent, more effective, you are more in touch, and yet above all, when they are wrong you can just shut them out and think logically and after intercepting the enemies attempts to use your instanced againced you the first couple of times your instanced is now adapted to intercept that move even if you lack the (personal) i.q. to remember how you survived that particular tactic. For example we kig-yar can be deafeted by using our instincts againced us, by using a cargo ship as a trap to ambush and arrest or kill us, but if we survive the attack we now instinctively assume every cargo ship is a trap even if we some how forget that happened.

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    • Hey, I just noticed: you're always talking about your kind and all that stuff, but you never mention the SKIRMISHERS. 

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    • Commando Trooper wrote:
      Hey, I just noticed: your always talking about your kind and all that stuff, but you never mention the SKIRMISHERS. 

      maybe cause they all died on reach, or atleast most of them. 

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    • No, they didn't: Tek

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    • Commando Trooper wrote: Hey, I just noticed: your always talking about your kind and all that stuff, but you never mention the SKIRMISHERS. 

      I am very sorry about that, I don't fail to mention them on purpose, I love skirmishers with all of my heart honest.:) How ever the tribe from the southern continent (also known as halo 4 kig-yar) are the only ones in this modern age who still follow the covenant blindly. If it where up to me I'd kill them all but I am againced genocide, especially amongst my own species, even if they aren't my kind. I even in fact have skirmishers in my crew, just not very many. Why not very many? they are a very rare breed, because they performed so well in combat that so many where hired during the war that they are a endangered species. I try to preserve them as well. They are noble, loyal, and never surrender. I suloot them with this post to make up for forgetting them in so many.:)

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:

      Commando Trooper wrote: Hey, I just noticed: your always talking about your kind and all that stuff, but you never mention the SKIRMISHERS. 

      I am very sorry about that, I don't fail to mention them on purpose, I love skirmishers with all of my heart honest.:) How ever the tribe from the southern continent (also known as halo 4 kig-yar) are the only ones in this modern age who still follow the covenant blindly. If it where up to me I'd kill them all but I am againced genocide, especially amongst my own species, even if they aren't my kind. I even in fact have skirmishers in my crew, just not very many. Why not very many? they are a very rare breed, because they performed so well in combat that so many where hired during the war that they are a endangered species. I try to preserve them as well. They are noble, loyal, and never surrender. I suloot them with this post to make up for forgetting them in so many.:)

      Oh and in fact, my kig-yar archers who perform top secret surface combat ops, use the feathers of skirmisher allies on their arrows out of respect.

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    • Commando Trooper wrote:
      No, they didn't: Tek

      dafqu is this "halopedia"? also yes but they don't have the numbers they use to enjoy. 

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    • lol, yes. Unfortunately Halo Nation hasn't got a page about him.

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    • Commando Trooper wrote:
      lol, yes. Unfortunately Halo Nation hasn't got a page about him.

      so make one, lol 

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote:

      Commando Trooper wrote:
      lol, yes. Unfortunately Halo Nation hasn't got a page about him.

      so make one, lol 

      Hey your right, we can.:)

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:

      Hey your right, we can.:)

      Not without messing it up and receiving a message from an admin, saying: "The page you created doesn't reach Halo Nation's standards".

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    • The quote on your post is broken so i'll have to do it manually. Comando trooper: """"reply to #84


      Lord of the STARS wrote: Hey your right, we can.:)

      Not without messing it up and receiving a sermon from an admin, saying: "The page you created doesn't reach Halo Nations standards". """" Ah, but you can win legally and prove them wrong to higher admins and by law they will submit and let you. How ever I can't because of my standards, see, they don't sell the books where I am. And the qout is broken because my curket breaker is broken, all 6 fingers crossed that this even posts.

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