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The elites vs the brutes!

  • Who win would the war (or any other fight) the elites or the brutes?! Also who do you think is stronger and tougher?

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    • I think that while brutes are stronger, elites would win in any circumstance. Elites can use precision weapons, which brutes are only shown using once (Halo: Reach, New Alexandria, Hospital). They can both use medium/close range weapons, and are equally matched in that. Elites have better tactics, ships, and leadership than brutes. I think the battle would be somewhat one-sided.

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    • it would be like humanity vs. Covvies, WITH THE SAME TECH. humans would be the elites and the v\brutes woulld be covvies. if humanity had the same tech the war would have been very different, as its shown with the UNSC Infinity

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    • Brutes with percisoin weapons were in The Package. they wee given a wave to attack halsey's lab.

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    • The Brutes have the "brute force" and pound for pound stronger are than the Elites. However, the Elitles would win considering that are smarter then brutes, and also know how to use Covanent weapons better. Remember, the Eiltes beat the Brutes when they were outnumbered 3 to 1 over Installation 00. This is all considering though, the brutes don't start fighting amaongest themselves, which would make this "fight" end much quicker. 

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    • Add a Poll please.

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    • Yes, the occasional brute would be weilding a needle rifle in reach, however elites had focus rifles, the next tier up.  Brutes could hit an elite from maybe a hundred meters max. Elites could make a kilometer kill shot with the focus rile.

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    • The brutes are rough andd tough but are pathetic compared to elites in reach, with 8 skulls on elites are like brutes with shields, and have more health. In Reach, when a brute charges at me I'm not scared, when an elite does, I am. And elites have sniped me from so far away its crazy. Elites are better, big time.....

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    • 108.48.67.122 wrote:
      The brutes are rough and tough but are pathetic compared to elites in reach, with 8 skulls on heroic elites are like brutes with shields, and have more health. In Reach, when a brute charges at me I'm not scared, when an elite does, I am. And elites have sniped me from so far away its crazy. Elites are better, big time.....


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    • Remeber in Halo 2, brutes were so overpowered, Bungie did not put a limit on the brutes. But that is fixed in Halo 3

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    • The Brutes were more resilient without shields than they were with them

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    • IT IS SO ONE SIDED!! the elites would win. It is like a human versus a gorilla. No competition.

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    • Halo 2 brutes were overpowered, they could chuck a grenade farther than an elite or grunt, and would go berserk if you killed one of their packs. Halo 3 brutes were funny and did not pose any threat............ To me that is...........

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    • Besides in Reach it takes longer for a brute to throw a grenade than an elite. An elite almost throws it like a player. Brutes just through it slow and eeven grunts beat their speed at throwing a plasma.

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    • 108.48.67.122 wrote: Halo 2 brutes were overpowered, they could chuck a grenade farther than an elite or grunt, and would go berserk if you killed one of their packs. Halo 3 brutes were funny and did not pose any threat............ To me that is...........

      Ya I like making them drop their sniper guns and go berserk when I snip them from a distance.:)

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    • Brutes were easy in halo 2, i just killed them with either a carbine or needler. At least in Halo 3 they had better armor and were some what more tactical. Halo 2 didn't have the cheiftain charging you with a gravity hammer with full shields. 

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    • True but that armor kept falling off, and it was nothing but matalic plated armor covering their bear naked bodies, comfortable=0

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    • cause it was cheaper then etile armor but brutes could absorb more damage. 

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    • A regular human can absorb more damage then a elite to when drunk.

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote: Brutes were easy in halo 2, i just killed them with either a carbine or needler. At least in Halo 3 they had better armor and were some what more tactical. Halo 2 didn't have the cheiftain charging you with a gravity hammer with full shields. 

      in halo 2 the brutes were the most dangerous enemy and that was a mistake by bungie

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    • I didn't find them that hard. Sure, they could absorb a lot of damage but that was there only good quailty. If they charged me, I just keepd shoot ing if until they drop. Also, since they had no shielding, they were a lot easier to headshot then elites. I realize their armor in Halo 3 was not as good as the elites but atleast there weren't damage sponges any more. They used simple tactics and would use their current weapon to their advantage. 

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    • You know we did see the result of what would happen in Halo 2 and Halo 3(mostly).

      Just saying....

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    • Ya, the sanghili kick those brutes butts off!!!

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    • Individually, brutes are tougher than elites. As an entire faction, I think the Elites would take the win. The brutes are prone to overreacting and charging blindly while blood-lusted (Elites are also guilty of charging in just for the honour of a kill). Brutes can definetly tank a lot of hits, without armour, but they aren't as tactically competent as Elites. Sure, they're great combatants, but on large scale conflicts, the Elites would slaughter the brutes through superior tactical competence.

      On small-scale conflicts, the win would more than likely go to the brutes.

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    • Brutes may not be as stupid as they want us to think they are, but elites are definitely the more intelligent!

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    • 108.48.67.122 wrote:
      Halo 2 brutes were overpowered, they could chuck a grenade farther than an elite or grunt, and would go berserk if you killed one of their packs. Halo 3 brutes were funny and did not pose any threat............ To me that is...........

      Yah ,but halo 2 brutes didn't have brute chieftan. Lets call it even.

      However, most halo 3 brutes were awful because my marines would own them on legendary quite frequently (except in close combat) ,however halo 3 elites weren't thatt great either. Infact, the halo 3 elites with needlers, carbines, energy swords,  sniper rifles and fuel rod guns (which I gave them) were still only equals with my marines (except for in close combat). Up close them dominated the brutes and mopped the floor with them. THe only brutes that were tough for the elites and marines were brute captains who still weren't that good. They could still barely handle one marine or elite.

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    • The enemy AI was wacky in Halo 3, sometimes they were easy, other times it was hard as hell. 

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    • For me, they kept berserk leaping off the platforms.

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    • Unnamed Field Marshall wrote: For me, they kept berserk leaping off the platforms.

      Coun'ta made a better example, that definitely deserves a great big http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwxu5VHWvjw for the brutes!

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    • Halo 2 was introducing brutes which bungie did not know how powerful they would make the brutes, bungie thought," Hmmmm...... should we make the brutes weak, or overlypowered badasses, hmmmmmmm, I know overlypowered badasses." And totally destroyed the marines, arbiter, chief, hunters, anything. In halo 2 they should of had a marine say when he see's a brute take down a hunter and elite," Brute beats everything!"

      Reference from halo 3 the ark, "Tank beats everything!"

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    • Would be nice if we could drive a rhino in the v.g.p. campaign.

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    • Grizzlies

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    • Lord of the STARS
      Lord of the STARS removed this reply because:
      I waited long enough, he either saw it or some one bad will.
      03:20, April 20, 2014
      This reply has been removed

      Unnamed Field Marshall wrote: Grizzlies

      sos http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:330724#457

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    • 108.28.18.215 wrote:
      Halo 2 was introducing brutes which bungie did not know how powerful they would make the brutes, bungie thought," Hmmmm...... should we make the brutes weak, or overlypowered badasses, hmmmmmmm, I know overlypowered badasses." And totally destroyed the marines, arbiter, chief, hunters, anything. In halo 2 they should of had a marine say when he see's a brute take down a hunter and elite," Brute beats everything!"

      Reference from halo 3 the ark, "Tank beats everything!"

      Well brutes being able to take down elites isn't that much of a big deal unless they are hunters or zealots. Or maybe stealth elites. In gameplay (no matter what halo you play) the average marine is about equal to a elite unless it gets too close. However, if we are talking about councilors (platinum),  zealots (gold), and ultra elites (silver) then that will take some real skill. However, normally I see marines put up good fights against elites and often win unless its close combat. By the way the grunts and jackals do make a diffeence when their helping the elites (due to numbers).

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    • Ya grunts breed fast jackals can be bribed into adding much bigger numbers.

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    • In halo 3 when a chieftain is charging at you, you can wait until he does his most common move, He sweeps the area with his hammer and all you have to do is side step and hit him from behind. It's that easy. But if the chieftain has his body guards then your screwed. Let the chieftain come to you don't come to him, thats a suiciide mission. Halo reach brute chieftains were awesome, they had grey hair when you shot off his helmet( Grey hair is a highly respective thing in brute culture) which was very accurate. Good job bungie.

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    • It's like a komodo dragon vs a gorrilla, the gorrilla has great strength, but if the komodo dragon is stealthly then the gorrilla won't know what hit em.

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    • 108.28.18.215 wrote:
      Halo reach brute chieftains were awesome, they had grey hair when you shot off his helmet( Grey hair is a highly respective thing in brute culture) which was very accurate. Good job bungie.

      Very accurate? You do understand that Bungie created Halo, and at the time of Reach, Bungie still owned the Halo franchise. Anything they did to the brutes would have been canonically accurate. It's their series. They could have done whatever the hell they wanted with it. 

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    • NG101 wrote:

      108.28.18.215 wrote:
      Halo reach brute chieftains were awesome, they had grey hair when you shot off his helmet( Grey hair is a highly respective thing in brute culture) which was very accurate. Good job bungie.

      Very accurate? You do understand that Bungie created Halo, and at the time of Reach, Bungie still owned the Halo franchise. Anything they did to the brutes would have been canonically accurate. It's their series. They could have done whatever the hell they wanted with it. 

      Could they have made it brute coulter to consider black eyes a traditional stile they do every morning like humans brushing their teeth?

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:

      NG101 wrote:

      108.28.18.215 wrote:
      Halo reach brute chieftains were awesome, they had grey hair when you shot off his helmet( Grey hair is a highly respective thing in brute culture) which was very accurate. Good job bungie.
      Very accurate? You do understand that Bungie created Halo, and at the time of Reach, Bungie still owned the Halo franchise. Anything they did to the brutes would have been canonically accurate. It's their series. They could have done whatever the hell they wanted with it. 
      Could they have made it brute coulter to consider black eyes a traditional stile they do every morning like humans brushing their teeth?

      They owned Halo. They could have retconned every brute to look like the tooth fairy if they so pleased.

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    • Yah, but at least they put time into the details of the covenant.

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    • hey you know what they say:) their not like google ruining youtube.

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    • Brutes are fairly easy to kill,just tag them with a sticky grenade,or needle them(this still works with 8 skulls on)on heroic,legendary.

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    • Elites can also be easily killed (and to a certain degree brutes too) with the plasma pistol and any precision weapon. Or my personal favorite, pop their shields, elite screams, line up the easy head shot. 

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    • I like to use suicide grunts to kill brutes by making them run into the brute and have more grunts try it so they to can be tricked into running into a brute instead.

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    • Elites were always superior, think, what major battle have the brutes one that is recorded in halo history? None. The elites took over so many planets and had superior weaponary, In 2300, the brutes did not even have a radio! A radio, really, how can they not figure out in thousands, or millions of years to make a simply device. When the covenant came to the homeworld of the brutes, the brutes were dominated so fast by the covenant its not even funny. Elites were always superior, even in the government.

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    • 108.28.18.215 wrote: Elites were always superior, think, what major battle have the brutes one that is recorded in halo history? None. The elites took over so many planets and had superior weaponary, In 2300, the brutes did not even have a radio! A radio, really, how can they not figure out in thousands, or millions of years to make a simply device. When the covenant came to the homeworld of the brutes, the brutes were dominated so fast by the covenant its not even funny. Elites were always superior, even in the government.

      Same reason human technology developed so slow, their was far to often a bully on the through who figured if he allowed his subjects to learn they would know the leader he killed to be on the through was better suited then he was. In result of no one learning, no one invented very fast.

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    • Brutes were the brawn while the Elites were the brains, or at least that's what we were meant to believe.

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    • That's how the also play. I mean, they are pretty equal because they are supposed to cancel each other out. 

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    • Unnamed Field Marshall wrote: Brutes were the brawn while the Elites were the brains, or at least that's what we were meant to believe.

      Actually elites are brain and brawn their for beat both. Makes sense anyway, how can one be strong with out being smart anyway? Can one exercise the brain more effectively when not exercising the body? Heck no.

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    • He meant the brutes were stronger then the elites, while the elites are smarter. 

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote: He meant the brutes were stronger then the elites, while the elites are smarter. 

      so very very.

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    • General B.H. wrote:
      108.28.18.215 wrote:
      Halo 2 was introducing brutes which bungie did not know how powerful they would make the brutes, bungie thought," Hmmmm...... should we make the brutes weak, or overlypowered badasses, hmmmmmmm, I know overlypowered badasses." And totally destroyed the marines, arbiter, chief, hunters, anything. In halo 2 they should of had a marine say when he see's a brute take down a hunter and elite," Brute beats everything!"

      Reference from halo 3 the ark, "Tank beats everything!"

      Well brutes being able to take down elites isn't that much of a big deal unless they are hunters or zealots. Or maybe stealth elites. In gameplay (no matter what halo you play) the average marine is about equal to a elite unless it gets too close. However, if we are talking about councilors (platinum),  zealots (gold), and ultra elites (silver) then that will take some real skill. However, normally I see marines put up good fights against elites and often win unless its close combat. By the way the grunts and jackals do make a diffeence when their helping the elites (due to numbers).

      Can't use gameplay as a canonical example. In the books, both elites and brutes slaughtered marines. Plasma would kill them with one or two shots. But in game, it wouldn't be fun to have all your marines die at the start of the mission, forcing you to continue on your own, right? So bungie nerfed the enemies a bit, but they are still canonically superior.

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    • Atas 'Rasuvai wrote:

      General B.H. wrote:
      108.28.18.215 wrote:
      Halo 2 was introducing brutes which bungie did not know how powerful they would make the brutes, bungie thought," Hmmmm...... should we make the brutes weak, or overlypowered badasses, hmmmmmmm, I know overlypowered badasses." And totally destroyed the marines, arbiter, chief, hunters, anything. In halo 2 they should of had a marine say when he see's a brute take down a hunter and elite," Brute beats everything!"

      Reference from halo 3 the ark, "Tank beats everything!"

      Well brutes being able to take down elites isn't that much of a big deal unless they are hunters or zealots. Or maybe stealth elites. In gameplay (no matter what halo you play) the average marine is about equal to a elite unless it gets too close. However, if we are talking about councilors (platinum),  zealots (gold), and ultra elites (silver) then that will take some real skill. However, normally I see marines put up good fights against elites and often win unless its close combat. By the way the grunts and jackals do make a diffeence when their helping the elites (due to numbers).

      Can't use gameplay as a canonical example. In the books, both elites and brutes slaughtered marines. Plasma would kill them with one or two shots. But in game, it wouldn't be fun to have all your marines die at the start of the mission, forcing you to continue on your own, right? So bungie nerfed the enemies a bit, but they are still canonically superior.

      Hey come to think of it, in defense that only proves your point about nerfed weapons not being 90mm, how many bullets dose it take to kill? Ushely only 1 or 2. Besides, woun't the humans eventfully learn how to make proper plasma proof armor as well as the covenant make proper bullet proof? Besides, in the game back round character humans health recharges. Definitely not 90mm.

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    • Hey I you know how covenant plasma weapons are a lot more powerful in the books to the point of melting through armor giving 3rd degree burns causing insaying pain and killing a human solder in just 1 near miss? Weal with my electric insect racket I have given flies up to 4 direct hits, they got zapped, but had still been alive, though still able to fly only 1 zap ago. Are humans weaker then insects?

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:
      Hey I you know how covenant plasma weapons are a lot more powerful in the books to the point of melting through armor giving 3rd degree burns causing insaying pain and killing a human solder in just 1 near miss? Weal with my electric insect racket I have given flies up to 4 direct hits, they got zapped, but had still been alive, though still able to fly only 1 zap ago. Are humans weaker then insects?

      Manufacturers aren't going to throw megajoules into an electric bug zapper. If you shot a fly with a plasma rifle, it would probably be vaporized.

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    • NG101 wrote:

      Lord of the STARS wrote:
      Hey I you know how covenant plasma weapons are a lot more powerful in the books to the point of melting through armor giving 3rd degree burns causing insaying pain and killing a human solder in just 1 near miss? Weal with my electric insect racket I have given flies up to 4 direct hits, they got zapped, but had still been alive, though still able to fly only 1 zap ago. Are humans weaker then insects?

      Manufacturers aren't going to throw megajoules into an electric bug zapper. If you shot a fly with a plasma rifle, it would probably be vaporized.

      Yes but when ever I do people yell at me to stop blowing holes in their walls:( ruuude.

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    • Everybody knows that elites are just better, physcially  and mentally.(And then the crowd gets angry and argues at me saying that brutes are stronger.)

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    • 108.28.18.215 wrote:
      Everybody knows that elites are just better, physcially  and mentally.(And then the crowd gets angry and argues at me saying that brutes are stronger.)

      Brutes are stronger. Elites are smarter.

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    • NG101 wrote:
      108.28.18.215 wrote:
      Everybody knows that elites are just better, physcially  and mentally.(And then the crowd gets angry and argues at me saying that brutes are stronger.)
      Brutes are stronger. Elites are smarter.

      Hence the name "brutes". 

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    • I think I know what halo 5's main theme is going to be about, maybe Chief is on the ark, looking for an AI which I forget his name and then runs into the arbiter, and remeber the arbiter thinks 117 is dead and then the 2 team up and then the didact comes back and starts murding everything. And Jul Mdama then comes in and tries to kill chief and the arbiter. Then 117 finds the AI in the ark that knows a lot about the flood, promeatheans and covies are attacking chief and arby then the flood comes out of nowhere and tears up the place, then in the end (possibly)  the arby and didact have a showdown and arby is injured or killed, then the didact about to kill chief is then saved by the flood which take over his body. And then chief takes the arbiter (if he is wounded) and gets on a the infinity which is over the ark and barely escape(with or without arby) and that is what could possible be halo 5's theme. below comment and i will check what u think. Btw this took a lot of brainstorming. Thanks! 

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    • Badly written but i was in a rush.

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    • and still I know this has nothing to do with elites vs brutes but this is what i summed up....

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    • 108.28.18.215 wrote: I think I know what halo 5's main theme is going to be about, maybe Chief is on the ark, looking for an AI which I forget his name and then runs into the arbiter, and remeber the arbiter thinks 117 is dead and then the 2 team up and then the didact comes back and starts murding everything. And Jul Mdama then comes in and tries to kill chief and the arbiter. Then 117 finds the AI in the ark that knows a lot about the flood, promeatheans and covies are attacking chief and arby then the flood comes out of nowhere and tears up the place, then in the end (possibly)  the arby and didact have a showdown and arby is injured or killed, then the didact about to kill chief is then saved by the flood which take over his body. And then chief takes the arbiter (if he is wounded) and gets on a the infinity which is over the ark and barely escape(with or without arby) and that is what could possible be halo 5's theme. below comment and i will check what u think. Btw this took a lot of brainstorming. Thanks! 

      .... I'm about to say something... then realize the most likely reaction and shut my molth....

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    • Why would he go back to the ark? The ending of Halo 3 damaged the hell out of it, unless you're talking about the greater or lesser ark. 

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    • 108.28.18.215 wrote:
      I think I know what halo 5's main theme is going to be about, maybe Chief is on the ark, looking for an AI which I forget his name and then runs into the arbiter, and remeber the arbiter thinks 117 is dead and then the 2 team up and then the didact comes back and starts murding everything. And Jul Mdama then comes in and tries to kill chief and the arbiter. Then 117 finds the AI in the ark that knows a lot about the flood, promeatheans and covies are attacking chief and arby then the flood comes out of nowhere and tears up the place, then in the end (possibly)  the arby and didact have a showdown and arby is injured or killed, then the didact about to kill chief is then saved by the flood which take over his body. And then chief takes the arbiter (if he is wounded) and gets on a the infinity which is over the ark and barely escape(with or without arby) and that is what could possible be halo 5's theme. below comment and i will check what u think. Btw this took a lot of brainstorming. Thanks! 

      I really don`t think this belongs in the "Elites vs Brutes" thread. I suggest moving this else were. Due to the fact that it discusses possible events of halo 5, not "Elites vs Brutes".

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    • thanks I been looking for this thread.:) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO-0daDnumg

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:
      thanks I been looking for this thread.:) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO-0daDnumg

      So, STARS, how's Anniversary?

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    • Commando Trooper wrote:

      Lord of the STARS wrote:
      thanks I been looking for this thread.:) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO-0daDnumg

      So, STARS, how's Anniversary?

      Going great so far:) I love the unnerfed weapons, hate the obsolete Spartan armor. Constantly looking for med packs, I would heal before I even find the dang things.

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    • Elites are superior to brutes. Elites are stratgiests and brutes are brutes..... they just charge in there and get themselves killed.

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    • I always did begin to wonder when fighting brutes from their strategies if they are actually far far more intelligent then they want us to think. Turns out, it was just instinct.

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    • 108.28.18.215 wrote:
      Elites are superior to brutes. Elites are stratgiests and brutes are brutes..... they just charge in there and get themselves killed.

      But they are just in being so wild. In-universe, there are few things that can go head to head with a brute and come out with its limbs intact. In the books, Brutes are even stated as being strong enough to rip Spartans in armour in half (or something of the sort).

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    • Brutes are a lot tougher than elites individually but even then a elite could just outsmart a brute so yeah I think an elite would win. Then again brutes can be tactical but they are simply too zealous and aggressive and prone to their natural instincts unlike elites who love tactics honour and stuff so even though I quite like the brutes I think that the elites would win overall

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    • Believe it or not though having higher intelligence actually doesn't mean you are less subject to your instinct, it actually means your instincts are stronger, yet, more eloquent, more effective, you are more in touch, and yet above all, when they are wrong you can just shut them out and think logically and after intercepting the enemies attempts to use your instanced againced you the first couple of times your instanced is now adapted to intercept that move even if you lack the (personal) i.q. to remember how you survived that particular tactic. For example we kig-yar can be deafeted by using our instincts againced us, by using a cargo ship as a trap to ambush and arrest or kill us, but if we survive the attack we now instinctively assume every cargo ship is a trap even if we some how forget that happened.

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    • Hey, I just noticed: you're always talking about your kind and all that stuff, but you never mention the SKIRMISHERS. 

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    • Commando Trooper wrote:
      Hey, I just noticed: your always talking about your kind and all that stuff, but you never mention the SKIRMISHERS. 

      maybe cause they all died on reach, or atleast most of them. 

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    • No, they didn't: Tek

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    • Commando Trooper wrote: Hey, I just noticed: your always talking about your kind and all that stuff, but you never mention the SKIRMISHERS. 

      I am very sorry about that, I don't fail to mention them on purpose, I love skirmishers with all of my heart honest.:) How ever the tribe from the southern continent (also known as halo 4 kig-yar) are the only ones in this modern age who still follow the covenant blindly. If it where up to me I'd kill them all but I am againced genocide, especially amongst my own species, even if they aren't my kind. I even in fact have skirmishers in my crew, just not very many. Why not very many? they are a very rare breed, because they performed so well in combat that so many where hired during the war that they are a endangered species. I try to preserve them as well. They are noble, loyal, and never surrender. I suloot them with this post to make up for forgetting them in so many.:)

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:

      Commando Trooper wrote: Hey, I just noticed: your always talking about your kind and all that stuff, but you never mention the SKIRMISHERS. 

      I am very sorry about that, I don't fail to mention them on purpose, I love skirmishers with all of my heart honest.:) How ever the tribe from the southern continent (also known as halo 4 kig-yar) are the only ones in this modern age who still follow the covenant blindly. If it where up to me I'd kill them all but I am againced genocide, especially amongst my own species, even if they aren't my kind. I even in fact have skirmishers in my crew, just not very many. Why not very many? they are a very rare breed, because they performed so well in combat that so many where hired during the war that they are a endangered species. I try to preserve them as well. They are noble, loyal, and never surrender. I suloot them with this post to make up for forgetting them in so many.:)

      Oh and in fact, my kig-yar archers who perform top secret surface combat ops, use the feathers of skirmisher allies on their arrows out of respect.

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    • Commando Trooper wrote:
      No, they didn't: Tek

      dafqu is this "halopedia"? also yes but they don't have the numbers they use to enjoy. 

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    • lol, yes. Unfortunately Halo Nation hasn't got a page about him.

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    • Commando Trooper wrote:
      lol, yes. Unfortunately Halo Nation hasn't got a page about him.

      so make one, lol 

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote:

      Commando Trooper wrote:
      lol, yes. Unfortunately Halo Nation hasn't got a page about him.

      so make one, lol 

      Hey your right, we can.:)

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:

      Hey your right, we can.:)

      Not without messing it up and receiving a message from an admin, saying: "The page you created doesn't reach Halo Nation's standards".

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    • The quote on your post is broken so i'll have to do it manually. Comando trooper: """"reply to #84


      Lord of the STARS wrote: Hey your right, we can.:)

      Not without messing it up and receiving a sermon from an admin, saying: "The page you created doesn't reach Halo Nations standards". """" Ah, but you can win legally and prove them wrong to higher admins and by law they will submit and let you. How ever I can't because of my standards, see, they don't sell the books where I am. And the qout is broken because my curket breaker is broken, all 6 fingers crossed that this even posts.

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote: True but that armor kept falling off, and it was nothing but matalic plated armor covering their bear naked bodies, comfortable=0

      They still had pants
      
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    • Looked like speedos to me.

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    • Point is if you wear armor your going to need matting. For example, in real life so far nothing beats 3 plates of bullet proof steel with gel armor between Kevlar underneath and leather matting, only 45 pounds. A child can handle that for a 8 hour walk. But say you have no gel, no leather, just the plating and Kevlar. Nothing to cushion the shock. The bullet may be stopped by the plate, and the Kevlar can push back a dent, but you will have a big welt. This probably isn't a very accurate story but you get the point. btw if you don't know what gel I mean, look up liquid armor, its very valuable stuff. :)

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:
      Point is if you wear armor your going to need matting. For example, in real life so far nothing beats 3 plates of bullet proof steel with gel armor between Kevlar underneath and leather matting, only 45 pounds. A child can handle that for a 8 hour walk. But say you have no gel, no leather, just the plating and Kevlar. Nothing to cushion the shock. The bullet may be stopped by the plate, and the Kevlar can push back a dent, but you will have a big welt. This probably isn't a very accurate story but you get the point. btw if you don't know what gel I mean, look up liquid armor, its very valuable stuff. :)

      The most inaccurate thing about this is that forty-five pound armor would significantly hamper any soldier to the point that his bullet-resistance is irrelevant. He would have no stamina left, and would essentially be an exhausted dog with steel and a gun. Sure, he can stave off a few magazines of .50 BMG, but he can't even aim properly, much less run away from the danger.

      I hope you understand that steel has not been used as body-armor since medieval times, and even then it was extremely thin steel that bullets would have no problem punching through.

      You're also overlooking the fact that Brutes have a strong enough physique to ignore magazines of 5.56 and 7.64. The shock from getting hit on bare armor wouldn't phase them at all. But then, you also have to notice that Brutes have shields on their armor, which soak up most of the energy.

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    • Similarly, Spartans wear titanium armor that protect them from small arms fire.

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    • NG101 wrote:
      Lord of the STARS wrote:
      Point is if you wear armor your going to need matting. For example, in real life so far nothing beats 3 plates of bullet proof steel with gel armor between Kevlar underneath and leather matting, only 45 pounds. A child can handle that for a 8 hour walk. But say you have no gel, no leather, just the plating and Kevlar. Nothing to cushion the shock. The bullet may be stopped by the plate, and the Kevlar can push back a dent, but you will have a big welt. This probably isn't a very accurate story but you get the point. btw if you don't know what gel I mean, look up liquid armor, its very valuable stuff. :)
      The most inaccurate thing about this is that forty-five pound armor would significantly hamper any soldier to the point that his bullet-resistance is irrelevant. He would have no stamina left, and would essentially be an exhausted dog with steel and a gun. Sure, he can stave off a few magazines of .50 BMG, but he can't even aim properly, much less run away from the danger.

      I hope you understand that steel has not been used as body-armor since medieval times, and even then it was extremely thin steel that bullets would have no problem punching through.

      You're also overlooking the fact that Brutes have a strong enough physique to ignore magazines of 5.56 and 7.64. The shock from getting hit on bare armor wouldn't phase them at all. But then, you also have to notice that Brutes have shields on their armor, which soak up most of the energy.

      You can't argue using logic with STARS, trust me, I've tried. 

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    • Actually you can, btw bullet proof steel actually dose exist in modern times, and it is the most effective thing you can use. How ever, not sure why, but people very close to never use bullet proof steel for armor, instead they usely just use it for target practice. Just shooting the same piece of steel all week to improve aim. btw 45 pounds is to heavy? hmmm, people aren't as strong as they use to be are they? I suppose you do have a point their, no battle in history has ever been won by some one who just assumes their solders are strong enough to handle the gear just because he knows a few guys who can. In fact, that's how the cross bow got invented. For the record dmr ng101 did win the argument, I have evolved to the point of being capable of admitting it loooong ago. All the times you weren't able to argue, I probably just wanted something and refused to be told no. Yah, 45 pounds of armor, waaaaay over kill. Its like saying you need a tank to protect againced a bb gun. What the heck was I thinking?

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    • Yes long ago bow makers got so good at their job, making over 100 pound bows started to become easy. Problem was, very few solders where strong enough to actually use them.

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    • Come to think of it how ever I would advice training in heavy heavy armor, then when actually going into battle using armor that's 5 times lighter.

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    • Also a battle againced some one wearing steel armor againced some one armed with guns that fire plasma, would be funny to watch.

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    • ^ point exactly  

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    • 108.48.67.122 wrote:
      Halo 2 brutes were overpowered, they could chuck a grenade farther than an elite or grunt, and would go berserk if you killed one of their packs. Halo 3 brutes were funny and did not pose any threat............ To me that is...........

      Well, what happen if you combine the A.I. of the Brutes from Halo 3 and Halo: Reach, the Brtues would be a challenging opponent, they would kept their thick hides from Reach, their berserk modes and energy shielding from 3. The Brutes can be balanced without making them overpowered and broken like they were in Halo 2. Heck a single plasma grenade can kill mercilessly.

      The combine A.I. for the Elites in Halo: Combat Evolved, Halo 2, and Halo: Reach they would be once again a challenging but dangerous opponent, they don't have the same endurance and thickness as the Brutes, but their status as "Jack of all Trades, and Master of none" versatile foes makes them the open-headed enemies towards humans and Brutes, if given the chance. 

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote:
      Brutes were easy in halo 2, i just killed them with either a carbine or needler. At least in Halo 3 they had better armor and were some what more tactical. Halo 2 didn't have the cheiftain charging you with a gravity hammer with full shields. 

      True, true. The Brutes can be easily taken down while in Berserk Mode in Halo 2. Halo 3 and Halo: Reach gave them a bit of intelligence and gained energy shielding armor, armor abilities, their own ranks, stats, and heavy-hitters. But their Chieftains still charged after you with their gravity hammers and like their boss Tartarus, they too possessed stronger energy shielding but luckily you didn't a sniper rifle of anything like to disperse them like Tartarus's own energy shielding.

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote:
      I didn't find them that hard. Sure, they could absorb a lot of damage but that was there only good quailty. If they charged me, I just keepd shoot ing if until they drop. Also, since they had no shielding, they were a lot easier to headshot then elites. I realize their armor in Halo 3 was not as good as the elites but atleast there weren't damage sponges any more. They used simple tactics and would use their current weapon to their advantage. 

      Yeah, but Halo: Reach brought a bit back of their damage sponging traits, but removed their Berserk Mode entirely

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    • And I miss the berserk mode. It made he think twice before throwing a spike/plasma grenade. Plus Brutes would tear through my shields in one or two hits. 

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    • NG101 wrote:
      Individually, brutes are tougher than elites. As an entire faction, I think the Elites would take the win. The brutes are prone to overreacting and charging blindly while blood-lusted (Elites are also guilty of charging in just for the honour of a kill). Brutes can definetly tank a lot of hits, without armour, but they aren't as tactically competent as Elites. Sure, they're great combatants, but on large scale conflicts, the Elites would slaughter the brutes through superior tactical competence.

      On small-scale conflicts, the win would more than likely go to the brutes.

      Unless if both species are using melee weapons say Energy Swords for Elites and Gravity Hammers for Brutes then it would be a stalemate.

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    • NG101 wrote:

      I hope you understand that steel has not been used as body-armor since medieval times, and even then it was extremely thin steel that bullets would have no problem punching through.

      For the record I know, this is probably not the kind of steel solders used to make a chest plate and helmet from that can with stand about 5 bullets and many sword attacks in 1678 VCaCd0I.pnghttp://p.globalsources.com/IMAGES/PDT/B1060138028/Bullet-proof-Shield.jpg http://img.tjskl.org.cn/nimg/43/3d/a83213e37d794555e6023c04c105-300x300-1/alloy_steel_military_bullet_proof_helmet_for_resisting_steel_core_bullets.jpg But still, plasma would react with steels properties of absorbing heat and magnetic power and the armor will basically cut its self.

      Indeed, I don't blame the military for not using steel armor since the middle ages.
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    • I want brutes to return in Halo 5 it would be boring if the only covenant enemy we face throughout the saga are elites

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    • But the Brutes are allies now.

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    • Commando Trooper wrote:
      But the Brutes are allies now.

      Doubt all the brutes are. Just like how some of the eiltes still want to kill humans. 

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    • Yeah, some Brutes were working with Vata 'Gajat.

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    • Also, the short story The Return, which takes place in 2559, says that different Brute tribes started to fight each other.

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote:
      Commando Trooper wrote:
      But the Brutes are allies now.
      Doubt all the brutes are. Just like how some of the eiltes still want to kill humans. 

      I don't think so, a Brute Chieftain named Lydus seeks a peace treaty with the humans and the Elites (lead by the Arbiter).

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    • 90.220.220.35 wrote:
      I want brutes to return in Halo 5 it would be boring if the only covenant enemy we face throughout the saga are elites

      Yeah, half of the Brute tribesmen fighting other Brutes, Brutes being brainwashed into serving the Covenant splinter factions, and the last half of Brutes joining Chieftain Lydus into seeking a peaceful negotiated alliance with the Humans of the UNSC and the Elites of the Covenant Separatists lead by the Arbiter. 

      Yeah, it would not only mean a three-way war with the Brutes, but to see Brutes infighting, enslaved Brutes fighting for the Covenant splinter factions against their will, and Brutes joining the player and the Covenant Separatists fighting back against the destructive Storm Covenant, and if possible the Flood and the Promethean machinations. 

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:

      NG101 wrote:

      I hope you understand that steel has not been used as body-armor since medieval times, and even then it was extremely thin steel that bullets would have no problem punching through.

      For the record I know, this is probably not the kind of steel solders used to make a chest plate and helmet from that can with stand about 5 bullets and many sword attacks in 1678

      VCaCd0I.pnghttp://p.globalsources.com/IMAGES/PDT/B1060138028/Bullet-proof-Shield.jpg http://img.tjskl.org.cn/nimg/43/3d/a83213e37d794555e6023c04c105-300x300-1/alloy_steel_military_bullet_proof_helmet_for_resisting_steel_core_bullets.jpg But still, plasma would react with steels properties of absorbing heat and magnetic power and the armor will basically cut its self. Indeed, I don't blame the military for not using steel armor since the middle ages.


      Not unless the Covenant armor for Elites and Brutes are made of metallic material capable of bouncing off regular bullets and old-fashioned armored piercing rounds. I believe that the UNSC have reverse-engineered and manufactured unknown metal alloy from other worlds they've colonized or somewhat to create the metal capable of piercing through Covenant Armor and their impenetrable steel. 

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    • 216.80.140.168 wrote:

      Lord of the STARS wrote:

      NG101 wrote:

      I hope you understand that steel has not been used as body-armor since medieval times, and even then it was extremely thin steel that bullets would have no problem punching through.

      For the record I know, this is probably not the kind of steel solders used to make a chest plate and helmet from that can with stand about 5 bullets and many sword attacks in 1678

      VCaCd0I.pnghttp://p.globalsources.com/IMAGES/PDT/B1060138028/Bullet-proof-Shield.jpg http://img.tjskl.org.cn/nimg/43/3d/a83213e37d794555e6023c04c105-300x300-1/alloy_steel_military_bullet_proof_helmet_for_resisting_steel_core_bullets.jpg But still, plasma would react with steels properties of absorbing heat and magnetic power and the armor will basically cut its self. Indeed, I don't blame the military for not using steel armor since the middle ages.


      Not unless the Covenant armor for Elites and Brutes are made of metallic material capable of bouncing off regular bullets and old-fashioned armored piercing rounds. I believe that the UNSC have reverse-engineered and manufactured unknown metal alloy from other worlds they've colonized or somewhat to create the metal capable of piercing through Covenant Armor and their impenetrable steel. 

      Ah yes, its simple really, plasma cuts mettle because of its chemical reaction between heat magnetic attraction and radiation. Its basically like when a bear attacks a hunter with a spear and lands all of its weight on the tip causing the spear to penetrate its self. But, if you designed the mettle so that when it starts to react to the magnetic properties and the heat a 3rd element intercepts that then the resistance will cause the plasma bolt to only heat it up then cool. Hears the best part, remember what I said about liquid armor? weal in the future they will have perfected the gel just right to also do the same thing as fusion cooling fluid, cooling the mettle back down while keeping the radiation from getting to your skin. So basically when you take hits from plasma and it isn't enough to get through, its basically the same as dipping steel in the furnace until it is red hot then sticking it in a bucket of snow. Also they don't use steel, they use titanium. Its melting point is alooot higher, and being lighter weight you can make it stronger then you can steel, because steel would be to heavy to reach the strength of the titanium with out weighing you down. Congratulations, this is how mettle armor in halo would protect you. Especially since not all mettles in space play by the same rules as mettle found on earth. That's why meteoroids are so valuable, they are hoping to find such mettles.

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:

      216.80.140.168 wrote:

      Lord of the STARS wrote:

      NG101 wrote:


      I hope you understand that steel has not been used as body-armor since medieval times, and even then it was extremely thin steel that bullets would have no problem punching through.

      For the record I know, this is probably not the kind of steel solders used to make a chest plate and helmet from that can with stand about 5 bullets and many sword attacks in 1678

      VCaCd0I.pnghttp://p.globalsources.com/IMAGES/PDT/B1060138028/Bullet-proof-Shield.jpg http://img.tjskl.org.cn/nimg/43/3d/a83213e37d794555e6023c04c105-300x300-1/alloy_steel_military_bullet_proof_helmet_for_resisting_steel_core_bullets.jpg But still, plasma would react with steels properties of absorbing heat and magnetic power and the armor will basically cut its self. Indeed, I don't blame the military for not using steel armor since the middle ages.


      Not unless the Covenant armor for Elites and Brutes are made of metallic material capable of bouncing off regular bullets and old-fashioned armored piercing rounds. I believe that the UNSC have reverse-engineered and manufactured unknown metal alloy from other worlds they've colonized or somewhat to create the metal capable of piercing through Covenant Armor and their impenetrable steel. 
      Ah yes, its simple really, plasma cuts mettle because of its chemical reaction between heat magnetic attraction and radiation. Its basically like when a bear attacks a hunter with a spear and lands all of its weight on the tip causing the spear to penetrate its self.

      But, if you designed the mettle so that when it starts to react to the magnetic properties and the heat a 3rd element intercepts that then the resistance will cause the plasma bolt to only heat it up then cool. Hears the best part, remember what I said about liquid armor? weal in the future they will have perfected the gel just right to also do the same thing as fusion cooling fluid, cooling the mettle back down while keeping the radiation from getting to your skin. So basically when you take hits from plasma and it isn't enough to get through, its basically the same as dipping steel in the furnace until it is red hot then sticking it in a bucket of snow. Also they don't use steel, they use titanium. Its melting point is alooot higher, and being lighter weight you can make it stronger then you can steel, because steel would be to heavy to reach the strength of the titanium with out weighing you down. Congratulations, this is how mettle armor in halo would protect you. Especially since not all mettles in space play by the same rules as mettle found on earth. That's why meteoroids are so valuable, they are hoping to find such mettles.

      Covenant plasma is hot enough to burn through Tungsten Carbide. Being that Elites can have their heads fried by plasma pistols, we can safely assume that Covenant alloys do not have a higher melting point that tungsten carbide. Not by more than thirty degrees Celsius, at least.

      Regardless of how light you got the metal, it's worthless. A plasma pistol is still going to put a nice hole through you and the metal. The only good thing that comes out of it is that the cauterized wound means you bleed to death. The burning of nerves also means you probably won't feel the pain of the injury.

      You still die, though. At this point, it would actually be better to run in to battle with a wetsuit or something like that, so as to retain speed and manueverability, while sacrificing what irrelevant protection you had before.

      Unless you're in the Halo universe. Because in Halo, ceramics can easily handle what tungsten carbide, the strongest alloy we have, cannot. In Halo, a glancing blow from a plasma rifle might take your left limb off an cauterize the wound, but a direct hit on your ceramic-titanium chestplate while disappate and merely knock you down.

      For some reason, in Halo, armor went from full body and full head protection in the opening ten years of the war, to Vietnam-era slacks and flak jackets twenty-six years after the beginning.

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    • NG101 wrote:
      Lord of the STARS wrote:

      216.80.140.168 wrote:


      Lord of the STARS wrote:

      NG101 wrote:


      I hope you understand that steel has not been used as body-armor since medieval times, and even then it was extremely thin steel that bullets would have no problem punching through.

      For the record I know, this is probably not the kind of steel solders used to make a chest plate and helmet from that can with stand about 5 bullets and many sword attacks in 1678

      VCaCd0I.pnghttp://p.globalsources.com/IMAGES/PDT/B1060138028/Bullet-proof-Shield.jpg http://img.tjskl.org.cn/nimg/43/3d/a83213e37d794555e6023c04c105-300x300-1/alloy_steel_military_bullet_proof_helmet_for_resisting_steel_core_bullets.jpg But still, plasma would react with steels properties of absorbing heat and magnetic power and the armor will basically cut its self. Indeed, I don't blame the military for not using steel armor since the middle ages.


      Not unless the Covenant armor for Elites and Brutes are made of metallic material capable of bouncing off regular bullets and old-fashioned armored piercing rounds. I believe that the UNSC have reverse-engineered and manufactured unknown metal alloy from other worlds they've colonized or somewhat to create the metal capable of piercing through Covenant Armor and their impenetrable steel. 
      Ah yes, its simple really, plasma cuts mettle because of its chemical reaction between heat magnetic attraction and radiation. Its basically like when a bear attacks a hunter with a spear and lands all of its weight on the tip causing the spear to penetrate its self.

      But, if you designed the mettle so that when it starts to react to the magnetic properties and the heat a 3rd element intercepts that then the resistance will cause the plasma bolt to only heat it up then cool. Hears the best part, remember what I said about liquid armor? weal in the future they will have perfected the gel just right to also do the same thing as fusion cooling fluid, cooling the mettle back down while keeping the radiation from getting to your skin. So basically when you take hits from plasma and it isn't enough to get through, its basically the same as dipping steel in the furnace until it is red hot then sticking it in a bucket of snow. Also they don't use steel, they use titanium. Its melting point is alooot higher, and being lighter weight you can make it stronger then you can steel, because steel would be to heavy to reach the strength of the titanium with out weighing you down. Congratulations, this is how mettle armor in halo would protect you. Especially since not all mettles in space play by the same rules as mettle found on earth. That's why meteoroids are so valuable, they are hoping to find such mettles.

      Covenant plasma is hot enough to burn through Tungsten Carbide. Being that Elites can have their heads fried by plasma pistols, we can safely assume that Covenant alloys do not have a higher melting point that tungsten carbide. Not by more than thirty degrees Celsius, at least.

      Regardless of how light you got the metal, it's worthless. A plasma pistol is still going to put a nice hole through you and the metal. The only good thing that comes out of it is that the cauterized wound means you bleed to death. The burning of nerves also means you probably won't feel the pain of the injury.

      You still die, though. At this point, it would actually be better to run in to battle with a wetsuit or something like that, so as to retain speed and manueverability, while sacrificing what irrelevant protection you had before.

      Unless you're in the Halo universe. Because in Halo, ceramics can easily handle what tungsten carbide, the strongest alloy we have, cannot. In Halo, a glancing blow from a plasma rifle might take your left limb off an cauterize the wound, but a direct hit on your ceramic-titanium chestplate while disappate and merely knock you down.

      For some reason, in Halo, armor went from full body and full head protection in the opening ten years of the war, to Vietnam-era slacks and flak jackets twenty-six years after the beginning.

      It kinda shows we've came prepare for anything unknown that throws at us. When there's a catastrophe, possibly the planet of Earth has made full body armor exoframes capable of shielding troops in field combat from anyone wielding out-of-this-world weaponry. Because we haven't invented capable energy weapons that were never used on the field of combat, so it would suck that the hostile enemies from another world, another realm, another dimensional plane, and from another galaxy have superior weapons, highly advanced technology, and magnificent defense items such as armor and shields that would become a problem for human soldiers.

      Because as of today, we're still improving on technology on Earth yet, advancements on Earth technology has been kinda slacking off throughout the 2000s and won't possibly getting advanced technology till maybe 2100 or 2030.

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    • 216.80.140.168 wrote:

      It kinda shows we've came prepare for anything unknown that throws at us. When there's a catastrophe, possibly the planet of Earth has made full body armor exoframes capable of shielding troops in field combat from anyone wielding out-of-this-world weaponry. Because we haven't invented capable energy weapons that were never used on the field of combat, so it would suck that the hostile enemies from another world, another realm, another dimensional plane, and from another galaxy have superior weapons, highly advanced technology, and magnificent defense items such as armor and shields that would become a problem for human soldiers.

      Because as of today, we're still improving on technology on Earth yet, advancements on Earth technology has been kinda slacking off throughout the 2000s and won't possibly getting advanced technology till maybe 2100 or 2030.

      WHAT? Is English your first language?

      The Covenant are from the same realm as the UNSC. They are from the same dimensional plane. They are from the same galaxy. 

      The UNSC was most certainly not prepared, in the slightest manner, for any sort of alien assault. If you look at Harvest, the first engagement of the Human-Covenant war, there was only a single platoon of militiamen standing ready to engage the enemy. Not even fully equipped marines or army infantry. They were militia.

      Full body exoframes? What? The UNSC has MJOLNIR and YGGRDRASIL. 


      "...Advancements on Earth technology has kinda slacking off throughout the 2000s..."

      Are you serious? Have you been living under a rock? In case you haven't noticed, human advancement has skyrocketed since the dawn of the 20th century, and it's only gotten faster in the 21st century.

      Advanced is relative So, advanced technology relative to what? Relative to fifty years ago, we're very advanced. Relative to the UNSC, we're still very advanced. I'd just like to throw out there that the United States Military could, assuming equal numbers, swipe the floor with the UNSC and the Covenant, at the same time.

      2100 will only be worse for our enemies. Projected military advancements for that year include nearly every soldier being outfitted with exoskeletons and all sorts of other neat theoretical stuff. Essentially, by 2100 the Spartans will pale in comparison to our basic infantryman.

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    • NG101 wrote:
      216.80.140.168 wrote:

      It kinda shows we've came prepare for anything unknown that throws at us. When there's a catastrophe, possibly the planet of Earth has made full body armor exoframes capable of shielding troops in field combat from anyone wielding out-of-this-world weaponry. Because we haven't invented capable energy weapons that were never used on the field of combat, so it would suck that the hostile enemies from another world, another realm, another dimensional plane, and from another galaxy have superior weapons, highly advanced technology, and magnificent defense items such as armor and shields that would become a problem for human soldiers.

      Because as of today, we're still improving on technology on Earth yet, advancements on Earth technology has been kinda slacking off throughout the 2000s and won't possibly getting advanced technology till maybe 2100 or 2030.

      WHAT? Is English your first language?

      The Covenant are from the same realm as the UNSC. They are from the same dimensional plane. They are from the same galaxy. 

      The UNSC was most certainly not prepared, in the slightest manner, for any sort of alien assault. If you look at Harvest, the first engagement of the Human-Covenant war, there was only a single platoon of militiamen standing ready to engage the enemy. Not even fully equipped marines or army infantry. They were militia.

      Full body exoframes? What? The UNSC has MJOLNIR and YGGRDRASIL. 


      "...Advancements on Earth technology has kinda slacking off throughout the 2000s..."

      Are you serious? Have you been living under a rock? In case you haven't noticed, human advancement has skyrocketed since the dawn of the 20th century, and it's only gotten faster in the 21st century.

      Advanced is relative So, advanced technology relative to what? Relative to fifty years ago, we're very advanced. Relative to the UNSC, we're still very advanced. I'd just like to throw out there that the United States Military could, assuming equal numbers, swipe the floor with the UNSC and the Covenant, at the same time.

      2100 will only be worse for our enemies. Projected military advancements for that year include nearly every soldier being outfitted with exoskeletons and all sorts of other neat theoretical stuff. Essentially, by 2100 the Spartans will pale in comparison to our basic infantryman.

      A. I'm talking about real-life

      B. Has the News or the media in general gave away information about any advancements of technology

      C. We don't know if real-life aliens are gonna be coming from portals, spaceships, and time-travelling

      D. We still don't have hovering cars capable of flying in anti-gravity, as well as spacecraft capable of carrying billions or zillions of people across outer space

      E. Aliens have energy weapons to spare and we Earthlings have solid weapons

      F. Aliens using a variation of nuclear warfare or biochemical weapon

      G. Arrogance and ignorances is not a virtue, I fear someday in an event where a year got prophesized where is gonna be the end of humankind, where we still haven't come prepared and we are all gonna die because of our slow-pacing

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    • Did you know most 21st century armor won't serve any protection againced weapons from 1344? I'd imagine it possible earth weapons would be quite deadly againced armor from a space faring race 700 years ahead of what earth has now, and their weapons probably won't even know earths solders are even wearing armor. After all a good sword spear or arrow could penetrate a modern flack jacket easily, as for the armor of 1344, its as if they did not know gun powder would ever be used in war for anything other then making noise.

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:
      Did you know most 21st century armor won't serve any protection againced weapons from 1344? I'd imagine it possible earth weapons would be quite deadly againced armor from a space faring race 700 years ahead of what earth has now, and their weapons probably won't even know earths solders are even wearing armor. After all a good sword spear or arrow could penetrate a modern flack jacket easily, as for the armor of 1344, its as if they did not know gun powder would ever be used in war for anything other then making noise.

      Exactly, dude

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    • 216.80.140.168 wrote:

      A. I'm talking about real-life

      B. Has the News or the media in general gave away information about any advancements of technology

      C. We don't know if real-life aliens are gonna be coming from portals, spaceships, and time-travelling

      D. We still don't have hovering cars capable of flying in anti-gravity, as well as spacecraft capable of carrying billions or zillions of people across outer space

      E. Aliens have energy weapons to spare and we Earthlings have solid weapons

      F. Aliens using a variation of nuclear warfare or biochemical weapon

      G. Arrogance and ignorances is not a virtue, I fear someday in an event where a year got prophesized where is gonna be the end of humankind, where we still haven't come prepared and we are all gonna die because of our slow-pacing

      A) I'm talking about real life as well. You've obviously been living under a rock. Welcome to the real world.

      B) Yes

      C) Your point? It's not like we could feasably combat any of them, not with our technology at least.

      D) Neither does Halo... I hope you understand that "anti-gravity" is impossible.

      E) So? You obviously don't have even a minor grasp on physics. It doesn't matter if it's a DEW or a solid projectile like ours. What matters is how powerful it is. For example, a 6 kilogram object travelling at hypersonic speeds is bound to do far more damage than you can hope to do with a 30 kilowatt laser.

      F) If this is in referring to real life... How do you know? If this is referring to Halo, the Covenant have never demonstrated a capacity for nuclear or biochemical warfare.

      G) What? I'd appreciate if you'd speak in comprehensible sentences.

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:
      Did you know most 21st century armor won't serve any protection againced weapons from 1344? I'd imagine it possible earth weapons would be quite deadly againced armor from a space faring race 700 years ahead of what earth has now, and their weapons probably won't even know earths solders are even wearing armor. After all a good sword spear or arrow could penetrate a modern flack jacket easily, as for the armor of 1344, its as if they did not know gun powder would ever be used in war for anything other then making noise.

      This is too stupid for me to even attempt to humor you.

      You can send the entire damn Roman army into modern Earth. A single platoon of the National Guard would kill them all within a month. It's cool and all that their spears may be able to punch through kevlar, but the National Guard has guns that punch through concrete, tanks, and fighter jets. 

      In any case, it's completely retarded to think that any civilization advanced enough to even reach Earth would see our armies as credible threats.

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    • Wow, now I need to scrub all this stupid off of me and look for the part where I said that the roman army would win. Has anyone seen it? anyone see me mention anything about the anchant nations wining? all I seem to recall is saying that modern armor won't protect againced weapons that it would make no sense to use in modern combat. Now, now that I'm not busy, some one mentioned something about covenant mettle armors. 6MbhBBI.png Give that a try. Do bare in mind though it takes about 6 of my guys just to lift that.

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    • 3 hours and I'm still the only one commenting am I? Well when some one dose comment I predict most likely the first thing they say will be "if it takes 6 of your guys to lift that then how will that make good armor for 1 guy?" even though I have layed out a perfectly good clue already. After all, your just that smart. Now, go ahead and try this out. The front NsLCPTk.png the shrapnel cushioning side aU9WHhZ.png Between the plating fusion cooling fluid to make the mettle harder to melt. qOPnStC.png Now the question isn't, will this work, the question is, will you be willing to give this strategy a try with out trying to find some clever way to argue with it?

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:
      Wow, now I need to scrub all this stupid off of me and look for the part where I said that the roman army would win. Has anyone seen it? anyone see me mention anything about the anchant nations wining? all I seem to recall is saying that modern armor won't protect againced weapons that it would make no sense to use in modern combat. 

      Your implication was that an ancient nation would pose a threat to a modern one, which is hilariously wrong.

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    • I just love the fact that not only did we get off topic about who would win (the sangheili or the jiralhanae), you took Lord of the STARS seriously. 

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    • Now, to get back to you on that crack about the roman empire taking on the modern world, yes though it be true their technology has not yet advanced to that of the modern age, their intelligence hasn't yet degenerated to that of the modern age either. Quick question, just how stupid do you think the romans where? While you laugh now, no one ever considers that money from anchant times is worth more in modern times then modern money. And though in the right hands those roman catapults can with the right skill shoot down a b-52, the romans would not even begin to be stupid enough to try it. Maaaaany years before they even attack they would go out and buy a computer, look up exactly what they are up againced, and then go out and buy the arms and armor needed to keep up with it. And even considering how long until the playing fields are level, you got to admit, a bunch of intelligent strong men who know what they are up againced armed only with swords and spears that can penetrate them flack jackets while holding shields that can't stop bullets and know they will be underestimated will still pose more of a threat then a bunch of stupid meat heads with the same battle gear who are clueless as to what they are upagainced. Also them catapults, rather then using them to shoot at a f-18 they would sell them, for a lot, keeping maby 1 or to to chuck grenades while the rest they would use to buy a missile truck called a gecko that's worth more then athosand catapults. The mane advantage the modern world would have is being to stupid to care weather or not they are going in to do battle with their ansisters while the mane disadvantage the romans would have is, compared to the population of the modern world out numbered doesn't even begin to describe it. Again, before you put words in my finger tips that don't belong their, I'm not saying a anchant empire would win, I'm just saying, your probably going to lose if your seriously going to go in thinking they are stupid no matter how much more advanced they are. Anyone else online yet? I can only show people this web site exist so fast.

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:
      Now, to get back to you on that crack about the roman empire taking on the modern world, yes though it be true their technology has not yet advanced to that of the modern age, their intelligence hasn't yet degenerated to that of the modern age either. Quick question, just how stupid do you think the romans where? While you laugh now, no one ever considers that money from anchant times is worth more in modern times then modern money. And though in the right hands those roman catapults can with the right skill shoot down a b-52, the romans would not even begin to be stupid enough to try it. Maaaaany years before they even attack they would go out and buy a computer, look up exactly what they are up againced, and then go out and buy the arms and armor needed to keep up with it. And even considering how long until the playing fields are level, you got to admit, a bunch of intelligent strong men who know what they are up againced armed only with swords and spears that can penetrate them flack jackets while holding shields that can't stop bullets and know they will be underestimated will still pose more of a threat then a bunch of stupid meat heads with the same battle gear who are clueless as to what they are upagainced. Also them catapults, rather then using them to shoot at a f-18 they would sell them, for a lot, keeping maby 1 or to to chuck grenades while the rest they would use to buy a missile truck called a gecko that's worth more then athosand catapults. The mane advantage the modern world would have is being to stupid to care weather or not they are going in to do battle with their ansisters while the mane disadvantage the romans would have is, compared to the population of the modern world out numbered doesn't even begin to describe it.

      Again, before you put words in my finger tips that don't belong their, I'm not saying a anchant empire would win, I'm just saying, your probably going to lose if your seriously going to go in thinking they are stupid no matter how much more advanced they are. Anyone else online yet? I can only show people this web site exist so fast.

      Exhibit A: This is why I can never take STARS seriously. It makes no sense what so ever and therefore, I shall not waste my time trying to rebuttal it. 

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:
      Now, to get back to you on that crack about the roman empire taking on the modern world, yes though it be true their technology has not yet advanced to that of the modern age, their intelligence hasn't yet degenerated to that of the modern age either. Quick question, just how stupid do you think the romans where? While you laugh now, no one ever considers that money from anchant times is worth more in modern times then modern money. And though in the right hands those roman catapults can with the right skill shoot down a b-52, the romans would not even begin to be stupid enough to try it. Maaaaany years before they even attack they would go out and buy a computer, look up exactly what they are up againced, and then go out and buy the arms and armor needed to keep up with it. And even considering how long until the playing fields are level, you got to admit, a bunch of intelligent strong men who know what they are up againced armed only with swords and spears that can penetrate them flack jackets while holding shields that can't stop bullets and know they will be underestimated will still pose more of a threat then a bunch of stupid meat heads with the same battle gear who are clueless as to what they are upagainced. Also them catapults, rather then using them to shoot at a f-18 they would sell them, for a lot, keeping maby 1 or to to chuck grenades while the rest they would use to buy a missile truck called a gecko that's worth more then athosand catapults. The mane advantage the modern world would have is being to stupid to care weather or not they are going in to do battle with their ansisters while the mane disadvantage the romans would have is, compared to the population of the modern world out numbered doesn't even begin to describe it.

      Again, before you put words in my finger tips that don't belong their, I'm not saying a anchant empire would win, I'm just saying, your probably going to lose if your seriously going to go in thinking they are stupid no matter how much more advanced they are. Anyone else online yet? I can only show people this web site exist so fast.

      Intelligent my arse. 

      A highschool honors student can outwit an entire legion of romans. 

      A division of the United States Marine Corp can outwit the entire Empire.

      Don't subscribe to the "humans are getting dumber" BS you're told. It's blatantly wrong. Unless you want to show me evidence that the Romans knew the Earth orbited the Sun, or they knew about DNA, or what antimatter was, etc.

      If by "catapults shooting planes out of the air" you mean "catapults lob rocks  at jets taxing on the runway, then yeah. However, rocket artiller > rocks.

      The Romans are, by our standards, stupid. The only thing mildly impressive about them is how long their constructs last. But then, we have high school students that have mastered architecture that took Romans lifetimes to perfect.

      ...Don't get me started on the money. You do understand there was less money back then, and that their coins were actually made of precious metals, right?

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    • STARS is still pretty damn comical, regardless.

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    • Unnamed Field Marshall wrote:
      STARS is still pretty damn comical, regardless.

      It's these kinds of events that call for popcorn... or what ever your kind enjoy has a snack. 

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote: or what ever your kind enjoy has a snack. 

      Humans

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    • NG101 wrote:
      DMR4LIFE wrote: or what ever your kind enjoy has a snack. 
      Humans

      I mean we can crunchy if cooked right, though I could probably say the same for sangheili.

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote:
      NG101 wrote:
      DMR4LIFE wrote: or what ever your kind enjoy has a snack. 
      Humans
      I mean we can crunchy if cooked right, though I could probably say the same for sangheili.

      Only one way to find out...

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    • "Challenge Accepted!!!" - Barney Stinson

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    • I keep having dreams of people who actually want to be eaten, I think I better wake up now.

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    • Oh and for the record, yah a lot of empires in the past did have a tendency to make sure people did not get a actually education (this is so that they don't learn they can have a better leader) still, I don't recall many romans who would go to the zoo, deliberately go inside the lions enclosher and try to feed them cookies. But that's about all I can say now, trying to be online right now is very dangerous and should not be attempted until I get my laptop back.

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    • NG101 wrote:
      216.80.140.168 wrote:

      A. I'm talking about real-life

      B. Has the News or the media in general gave away information about any advancements of technology

      C. We don't know if real-life aliens are gonna be coming from portals, spaceships, and time-travelling

      D. We still don't have hovering cars capable of flying in anti-gravity, as well as spacecraft capable of carrying billions or zillions of people across outer space

      E. Aliens have energy weapons to spare and we Earthlings have solid weapons

      F. Aliens using a variation of nuclear warfare or biochemical weapon

      G. Arrogance and ignorances is not a virtue, I fear someday in an event where a year got prophesized where is gonna be the end of humankind, where we still haven't come prepared and we are all gonna die because of our slow-pacing

      A) I'm talking about real life as well. You've obviously been living under a rock. Welcome to the real world.

      B) Yes

      C) Your point? It's not like we could feasably combat any of them, not with our technology at least.

      D) Neither does Halo... I hope you understand that "anti-gravity" is impossible.

      E) So? You obviously don't have even a minor grasp on physics. It doesn't matter if it's a DEW or a solid projectile like ours. What matters is how powerful it is. For example, a 6 kilogram object travelling at hypersonic speeds is bound to do far more damage than you can hope to do with a 30 kilowatt laser.

      F) If this is in referring to real life... How do you know? If this is referring to Halo, the Covenant have never demonstrated a capacity for nuclear or biochemical warfare.

      G) What? I'd appreciate if you'd speak in comprehensible sentences.

      Then Mr. NG101 you are an ignorant jerk who lacks perspective and can't foresee the end prophecies.

      I'm a man of perspectives, fantasy, faith, and a sense of awareness-pacing. You are a man of scientific perspective.

      I'm living in a house apartment, not under the rock. 

      There are differences Mr. NG101, but I don't see comparisons when it comes to the evolution of Human technologies.

      And plus I am speaking in comprehensible sentences. You just don't realize that.

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    • NG101 wrote:
      Lord of the STARS wrote:
      Did you know most 21st century armor won't serve any protection againced weapons from 1344? I'd imagine it possible earth weapons would be quite deadly againced armor from a space faring race 700 years ahead of what earth has now, and their weapons probably won't even know earths solders are even wearing armor. After all a good sword spear or arrow could penetrate a modern flack jacket easily, as for the armor of 1344, its as if they did not know gun powder would ever be used in war for anything other then making noise.
      This is too stupid for me to even attempt to humor you.

      You can send the entire damn Roman army into modern Earth. A single platoon of the National Guard would kill them all within a month. It's cool and all that their spears may be able to punch through kevlar, but the National Guard has guns that punch through concrete, tanks, and fighter jets. 

      In any case, it's completely retarded to think that any civilization advanced enough to even reach Earth would see our armies as credible threats.

      Once again you're completely ignorant, Lord of the STARS spoke his own facts and opinions and I fully respect on what he said.

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote:
      I just love the fact that not only did we get off topic about who would win (the sangheili or the jiralhanae), you took Lord of the STARS seriously. 

      NG101 is a schmuck that's the problem.

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote:
      Lord of the STARS wrote:
      Now, to get back to you on that crack about the roman empire taking on the modern world, yes though it be true their technology has not yet advanced to that of the modern age, their intelligence hasn't yet degenerated to that of the modern age either. Quick question, just how stupid do you think the romans where? While you laugh now, no one ever considers that money from anchant times is worth more in modern times then modern money. And though in the right hands those roman catapults can with the right skill shoot down a b-52, the romans would not even begin to be stupid enough to try it. Maaaaany years before they even attack they would go out and buy a computer, look up exactly what they are up againced, and then go out and buy the arms and armor needed to keep up with it. And even considering how long until the playing fields are level, you got to admit, a bunch of intelligent strong men who know what they are up againced armed only with swords and spears that can penetrate them flack jackets while holding shields that can't stop bullets and know they will be underestimated will still pose more of a threat then a bunch of stupid meat heads with the same battle gear who are clueless as to what they are upagainced. Also them catapults, rather then using them to shoot at a f-18 they would sell them, for a lot, keeping maby 1 or to to chuck grenades while the rest they would use to buy a missile truck called a gecko that's worth more then athosand catapults. The mane advantage the modern world would have is being to stupid to care weather or not they are going in to do battle with their ansisters while the mane disadvantage the romans would have is, compared to the population of the modern world out numbered doesn't even begin to describe it.

      Again, before you put words in my finger tips that don't belong their, I'm not saying a anchant empire would win, I'm just saying, your probably going to lose if your seriously going to go in thinking they are stupid no matter how much more advanced they are. Anyone else online yet? I can only show people this web site exist so fast.

      Exhibit A: This is why I can never take STARS seriously. It makes no sense what so ever and therefore, I shall not waste my time trying to rebuttal it. 

      Then don't dude, we are all entitled to our own facts and opinions. Some we agree with some we don't agree with

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote:
      "Challenge Accepted!!!" - Barney Stinson

      I vote, DMR4LIFE as victor!

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:
      I keep having dreams of people who actually want to be eaten, I think I better wake up now.

      You're not dreaming about the Many-Angled Ones and the Great Old Ones?

      That would be terrifying.

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    • 216.80.140.168 wrote:
      DMR4LIFE wrote:
      Lord of the STARS wrote:
      Now, to get back to you on that crack about the roman empire taking on the modern world, yes though it be true their technology has not yet advanced to that of the modern age, their intelligence hasn't yet degenerated to that of the modern age either. Quick question, just how stupid do you think the romans where? While you laugh now, no one ever considers that money from anchant times is worth more in modern times then modern money. And though in the right hands those roman catapults can with the right skill shoot down a b-52, the romans would not even begin to be stupid enough to try it. Maaaaany years before they even attack they would go out and buy a computer, look up exactly what they are up againced, and then go out and buy the arms and armor needed to keep up with it. And even considering how long until the playing fields are level, you got to admit, a bunch of intelligent strong men who know what they are up againced armed only with swords and spears that can penetrate them flack jackets while holding shields that can't stop bullets and know they will be underestimated will still pose more of a threat then a bunch of stupid meat heads with the same battle gear who are clueless as to what they are upagainced. Also them catapults, rather then using them to shoot at a f-18 they would sell them, for a lot, keeping maby 1 or to to chuck grenades while the rest they would use to buy a missile truck called a gecko that's worth more then athosand catapults. The mane advantage the modern world would have is being to stupid to care weather or not they are going in to do battle with their ansisters while the mane disadvantage the romans would have is, compared to the population of the modern world out numbered doesn't even begin to describe it.

      Again, before you put words in my finger tips that don't belong their, I'm not saying a anchant empire would win, I'm just saying, your probably going to lose if your seriously going to go in thinking they are stupid no matter how much more advanced they are. Anyone else online yet? I can only show people this web site exist so fast.

      Exhibit A: This is why I can never take STARS seriously. It makes no sense what so ever and therefore, I shall not waste my time trying to rebuttal it. 
      Then don't dude, we are all entitled to our own facts and opinions. Some we agree with some we don't agree with

      I'm actually a good friends with STARS, just an FYI. I will say I have enjoyed reading your comments though. 

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    • 216.80.140.168 wrote:

      Then Mr. NG101 you are an ignorant jerk who lacks perspective and can't foresee the end prophecies.

      I'm a man of perspectives, fantasy, faith, and a sense of awareness-pacing. You are a man of scientific perspective.

      I'm living in a house apartment, not under the rock. 

      There are differences Mr. NG101, but I don't see comparisons when it comes to the evolution of Human technologies.

      And plus I am speaking in comprehensible sentences. You just don't realize that.

      Ignorant jerk? The only ignorant here is the guy that brings up "end prophecies" without providing said prophecies or any objective evidence to back them.

      "...man of... fantasy, faith..." - Already I sign that I shouldn't take anything you say seriously...

      Figurative speech, bro.

      What?

      Comprehensible sentences? "Arrogance and ignorances is not a virtue, I fear someday in an event where a year got prophesized where is gonna be the end of humankind, where we still haven't come prepared and we are all gonna die because of our slow-pacing"

      - That required a bit of deciphering on my part. I don't know about you, but I prefer proper grammar.


      (Oh yeah, ad hominems are no way to go about an argument; just a little pro tip for you.)

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    • 216.80.140.168 wrote:
      NG101 wrote:

      This is too stupid for me to even attempt to humor you.

      You can send the entire damn Roman army into modern Earth. A single platoon of the National Guard would kill them all within a month. It's cool and all that their spears may be able to punch through kevlar, but the National Guard has guns that punch through concrete, tanks, and fighter jets. 

      In any case, it's completely retarded to think that any civilization advanced enough to even reach Earth would see our armies as credible threats.

      Once again you're completely ignorant, Lord of the STARS spoke his own facts and opinions and I fully respect on what he said.

      I respect, to a degree, what he said as well. He's right in stating that modern infantry armor serves as little, if any, protection against weapons in the pre-gunpowder era.

      What, exactly, am I ignorant of?

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    • 216.80.140.168 wrote:

      NG101 is a schmuck that's the problem.

      Against my better judgement, I'll respond to the insult:

      The only schmuk here is the fool that takes fantasy over science.

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    • Wow, ok now I got internet, my own computer, I'm back in bussness. Now, I do admit, I don't really know much about the roman empire. Maby they liked to charge into battle unprepared for all I know, I just figured it was what you wanted to talk about, so I went with it. Btw dmr please, I would advice you stop telling people things that makes it harder for me to find out which ones are smart, it makes it harder to prosper my empire if I don't do that. Then again you never did say you where on my side now did you? Please, if you with to debate with me, feel free. I enjoy it. Though I do wonder why I don't recall very many humans who passed other then odsts.

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    • It seems some people here have some vingear running through them. 

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    • Oh did that come off wrong? terribly sorry, point out which part stings and I'll correct it. :) promise.

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:
      Oh did that come off wrong? terribly sorry, point out which part stings and I'll correct it. :) promise.

      It's not in a literal bro. Two (or three people) are just butting heads. Like when I get into a discussion with Gabriel Throne over Halsey. 

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    • This a reference to cattle? If you want a duel I do have a preferred stile. The classic rapier :). http://i.imgur.com/QiOXWax.png?1http://i.imgur.com/QiOXWax.png?1 Take your blade, lets see what you got.

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    • If you would like to talk about people such as the Aztecs, the romans, or the huns, I do have 1 suggestion. Find people such as that, in that exact level of technology, on prespace age planets, and sell them these http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Covenant_Weapons Why sell a empire as primitive and dangerous as them such weapons? Because its funny.

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:
      If you would like to talk about people such as the Aztecs, the romans, or the huns, I do have 1 suggestion. Find people such as that, in that exact level of technology, on prespace age planets, and sell them these http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Covenant_Weapons Why sell a empire as primitive and dangerous as them such weapons? Because its funny.

      You maniacal bastard.

      I'd love to see the look on the face of the Spanish Empire when they realize that a single Aztec warrior can sink a First Rate ship-of-the-line.

      Or the look on the Germans when they realize Roman sentries can burn down the forests they hide in with their hands

      Or... No. The Huns don't need any more weapons.

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote:
      Brutes were easy in halo 2, i just killed them with either a carbine or needler. At least in Halo 3 they had better armor and were some what more tactical. Halo 2 didn't have the cheiftain charging you with a gravity hammer with full shields. 

      Me too XD. There easy as long as you know how to fight them. THere hard with plasma rifles ,but not needlers or carbines. I also would use brute shots against them or at least dual wielded plasma rifles. Infact my marines could  take them as long as they didn't beserk or throw  plasma grenades. SOmetimes I even waited for a beserking brute to lunge at me then I would dodge it and melee it from behind.

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote:
      Commando Trooper wrote:
      But the Brutes are allies now.
      Doubt all the brutes are. Just like how some of the eiltes still want to kill humans. 

      I hope we egt to fight with brutes in halo 5. THat would be fun and fight with a brute chieftan. Fight with them and see them beserk in the middle of the battle if one of them dies and usually just see them get themselves killed.  Listen to them argue and maybe even see two of them fight each other. Best allies ever!!!

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    • Ah, good guy brutes vs bad guy brutes vs bad guy elites vs good guy elites vs those things that could not possibly be grunts vs grunts vs human odsts is a battle I would love to see!

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    • The Line-Up:

      Covenant Separatists:

      1. Elites/Sangheili

      2. Grunts/Unggoy

      3. Hunters/Mgalekgolo

      4. Engineers/Huragok

      5. Brutes/Jiralhanae (if possible in Halo 5: Guardians, through Lydus)

      Covenant Remnant (aka "Storm Covenant")

      1. Elites/Sangheili

      2. Grunts/Unggoy

      3. Jackals/Kig-Yar (Skirmishers included)

      4. Drones/Yanme'e

      5. Brutes/Jiralhanae

      6. Hunters/Mgalekgolo

      7. Promethean Machinations (allies by the Ur-Didact)

      It might be possible for a fair fight...or somewhat. What you guys think?

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    • So where does the UNSC fall in here? 

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    • A Separatist on Remnant sub conflict will make the Halo 5 story more interesting.

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    • Yah, our number 1 stupidest moment in history. I'll be in the shower tell morning.

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote:
      So where does the UNSC fall in here? 

      UNSC? 

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    • Unnamed Field Marshall wrote:
      A Separatist on Remnant sub conflict will make the Halo 5 story more interesting.

      Yes it will.

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    • 216.80.140.168 wrote:
      The Line-Up:

      Covenant Separatists:

      1. Elites/Sangheili

      2. Grunts/Unggoy

      3. Hunters/Mgalekgolo

      4. Engineers/Huragok

      5. Brutes/Jiralhanae (if possible in Halo 5: Guardians, through Lydus)

      Covenant Remnant (aka "Storm Covenant")

      1. Elites/Sangheili

      2. Grunts/Unggoy

      3. Jackals/Kig-Yar (Skirmishers included)

      4. Drones/Yanme'e

      5. Brutes/Jiralhanae

      6. Hunters/Mgalekgolo

      7. Promethean Machinations (allies by the Ur-Didact)

      It might be possible for a fair fight...or somewhat. What you guys think?

      If someone is going to through the prometheans in there, I would like to know where the UNSC would fall. Guessing the "separatists" but even that is in question after recent events. 

      So, "UNSC"? Yes, the United Nations Space Command.

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    • 216.80.140.168 wrote:
      The Line-Up:

      Covenant Separatists:

      1. Elites/Sangheili

      2. Grunts/Unggoy

      3. Hunters/Mgalekgolo

      4. Engineers/Huragok

      5. Brutes/Jiralhanae (if possible in Halo 5: Guardians, through Lydus)

      Covenant Remnant (aka "Storm Covenant")

      1. Elites/Sangheili

      2. Grunts/Unggoy

      3. Jackals/Kig-Yar (Skirmishers included)

      4. Drones/Yanme'e

      5. Brutes/Jiralhanae

      6. Hunters/Mgalekgolo

      7. Promethean Machinations (allies by the Ur-Didact)

      It might be possible for a fair fight...or somewhat. What you guys think?

      Why do the Seperatists get Huragok but the Remnant doesn't? It's just as possible for the Remnant to have Huragok. In addition, why are the Yanme'e with the Remnant? There is no particular reason for a Hive Queen to want her hive in a war between the two factions, especially since there isn't a San 'Shyuum onboard an orbiting Supercarrier glassing her planet into submission, then forcing her into a weary treaty.

      I can hardly see Brutes working alongside the Remnant, either. Glasslands and the Thursday War (I haven't read Mortal Dictata) show that neither Jul nor Avu Med Telcam (Jul's "mentor") were fond of the Jirlhanae. If anything, I'm seeing a threeway war. On one side we've got Thel's forces, any Kig-Yar they could hire, any loyal Unggoy and Lekgolo, Lydus and those that remain loyal to him, and the UNSC.

      On the other side, we've got Jul's forces (which include Kig-Yar mercenaries and loyal Unggoy and Lekgolo, as well as the Ur-Didact and his Prometheans.

      Huragok are essentially out for the taking, as they have no formal defense beyond punching holes in the heads of humans, which won't exactly help when a pelican of humans or Liche of fanatic Elites drops in to use them for military purposes.

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    • Finally, I can fight for thel and its in canon. How much will I get payed for it though? the higher the price, the more of my forces will be added to thels army. After all, we do need to make a living, but at least I know this time we will be working for the guy who wants us to not only have victory, but not be rewarded for victory with ignorant death. Unlike a certain mad space cammle who was named contrary to his character.

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    • NG101 wrote:

      216.80.140.168 wrote:
      The Line-Up:

      Covenant Separatists:

      Huragok are essentially out for the taking, as they have no formal defense beyond punching holes in the heads of humans, which won't exactly help when a pelican of humans or Liche of fanatic Elites drops in to use them for military purposes.



      See your going at it wrong, combat isn't the horagoks purpose, its defense and matnance. Which is like a ingredient in fire. theirs those who fight, those who do matanance, and those who keep everyone fed. Tell me, what happens when you remove a ingredient to fire? Yes we need them!
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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:

      NG101 wrote:

      216.80.140.168 wrote:
      The Line-Up:

      Covenant Separatists:

      Huragok are essentially out for the taking, as they have no formal defense beyond punching holes in the heads of humans, which won't exactly help when a pelican of humans or Liche of fanatic Elites drops in to use them for military purposes.



      See your going at it wrong, combat isn't the horagoks purpose, its defense and matnance. Which is like a ingredient in fire. theirs those who fight, those who do matanance, and those who keep everyone fed. Tell me, what happens when you remove a ingredient to fire? Yes we need them!


      Wat?


      In any case, I'm not expecting anyone to use the Huragok as infantry, nor did I imply anyone would. My point was that there is nothing stopping either side from obtaining Huragok.

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    • oh, again I misread... maby I should go to the dr and have them check for shrapnel after each battle.

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:
      oh, again I misread... maby I should go to the dr and have them check for shrapnel after each battle.

      That would be a good idea. We wouldn't want to have to put an arc reactor in your chest and then have you become Iron Jackal, the Kig-Yar counterpart to Iron Man.

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    • NG101 wrote:
      216.80.140.168 wrote:
      The Line-Up:

      Covenant Separatists:

      1. Elites/Sangheili

      2. Grunts/Unggoy

      3. Hunters/Mgalekgolo

      4. Engineers/Huragok

      5. Brutes/Jiralhanae (if possible in Halo 5: Guardians, through Lydus)

      Covenant Remnant (aka "Storm Covenant")

      1. Elites/Sangheili

      2. Grunts/Unggoy

      3. Jackals/Kig-Yar (Skirmishers included)

      4. Drones/Yanme'e

      5. Brutes/Jiralhanae

      6. Hunters/Mgalekgolo

      7. Promethean Machinations (allies by the Ur-Didact)

      It might be possible for a fair fight...or somewhat. What you guys think?

      Why do the Seperatists get Huragok but the Remnant doesn't? It's just as possible for the Remnant to have Huragok. In addition, why are the Yanme'e with the Remnant? There is no particular reason for a Hive Queen to want her hive in a war between the two factions, especially since there isn't a San 'Shyuum onboard an orbiting Supercarrier glassing her planet into submission, then forcing her into a weary treaty.

      I can hardly see Brutes working alongside the Remnant, either. Glasslands and the Thursday War (I haven't read Mortal Dictata) show that neither Jul nor Avu Med Telcam (Jul's "mentor") were fond of the Jirlhanae. If anything, I'm seeing a threeway war. On one side we've got Thel's forces, any Kig-Yar they could hire, any loyal Unggoy and Lekgolo, Lydus and those that remain loyal to him, and the UNSC.

      On the other side, we've got Jul's forces (which include Kig-Yar mercenaries and loyal Unggoy and Lekgolo, as well as the Ur-Didact and his Prometheans.

      Huragok are essentially out for the taking, as they have no formal defense beyond punching holes in the heads of humans, which won't exactly help when a pelican of humans or Liche of fanatic Elites drops in to use them for military purposes.

      It could be quite possible for several Huragok wanting revenge on the Covenant empire for using as technician slaves as well as implanting explosvies onto their bodies in case they should rebel. Most of the engineers (partially thanks to Virgil) sided with the UNSC and the Covenant Separatists during the Great Schism thanks to the ODST (although they weren't in combat but they aiding their allies behind the scenes outside the war).

      I'm betting that Jul and the Bishop are somewhat intending on using Brutes as ignorante cannon fodder slaves as part of their ground attack force of the Covenant splinter factions, using their blind rage and warring tribal attitudes on the Humans for extra-advantage points in the war.  

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    • 216.80.140.168 wrote:
      NG101 wrote:
      216.80.140.168 wrote:
      The Line-Up:

      Covenant Separatists:

      1. Elites/Sangheili

      2. Grunts/Unggoy

      3. Hunters/Mgalekgolo

      4. Engineers/Huragok

      5. Brutes/Jiralhanae (if possible in Halo 5: Guardians, through Lydus)

      Covenant Remnant (aka "Storm Covenant")

      1. Elites/Sangheili

      2. Grunts/Unggoy

      3. Jackals/Kig-Yar (Skirmishers included)

      4. Drones/Yanme'e

      5. Brutes/Jiralhanae

      6. Hunters/Mgalekgolo

      7. Promethean Machinations (allies by the Ur-Didact)

      It might be possible for a fair fight...or somewhat. What you guys think?

      Why do the Seperatists get Huragok but the Remnant doesn't? It's just as possible for the Remnant to have Huragok. In addition, why are the Yanme'e with the Remnant? There is no particular reason for a Hive Queen to want her hive in a war between the two factions, especially since there isn't a San 'Shyuum onboard an orbiting Supercarrier glassing her planet into submission, then forcing her into a weary treaty.

      I can hardly see Brutes working alongside the Remnant, either. Glasslands and the Thursday War (I haven't read Mortal Dictata) show that neither Jul nor Avu Med Telcam (Jul's "mentor") were fond of the Jirlhanae. If anything, I'm seeing a threeway war. On one side we've got Thel's forces, any Kig-Yar they could hire, any loyal Unggoy and Lekgolo, Lydus and those that remain loyal to him, and the UNSC.

      On the other side, we've got Jul's forces (which include Kig-Yar mercenaries and loyal Unggoy and Lekgolo, as well as the Ur-Didact and his Prometheans.

      Huragok are essentially out for the taking, as they have no formal defense beyond punching holes in the heads of humans, which won't exactly help when a pelican of humans or Liche of fanatic Elites drops in to use them for military purposes.

      It could be quite possible for several Huragok wanting revenge on the Covenant empire for using as technician slaves as well as implanting explosvies onto their bodies in case they should rebel. Most of the engineers (partially thanks to Virgil) sided with the UNSC and the Covenant Separatists during the Great Schism thanks to the ODST (although they weren't in combat but they aiding their allies behind the scenes outside the war).

      I'm betting that Jul and the Bishop are somewhat intending on using Brutes as ignorante cannon fodder slaves as part of their ground attack force of the Covenant splinter factions, using their blind rage and warring tribal attitudes on the Humans for extra-advantage points in the war.  

      You've read the novels, right? Engineers aren't too keen on war. In fact, they couldn't care less. There are only two things in the world engineers care about: machinery and their friends.

      The only way you'll get a violent response or desire for revenge (and we've never seen any engineers with a spiteful, malevolent, or even remotely vengeful attitude, have we?) is by harming a friend of the engineer, as seen when Dadab is saved by Lighter Than Some.

      Sure, engineer would prefer to go with the UNSC, but they're not going to actively seek out humanity.

      Also, the UNSC doesn't have many engineers. Virgil is among very few that the UNSC have. If you've read Glasslands, it is shown that the retrieval of an engineer is a mission worthy of a specialized stealth corvette and an ONI Black Ops team, which consists one Spartan, a Spartan washout and the lapdog of an Admiral, two ODSTs, and an AI.

      But the UNSC does have far more AIs now than they did when fighting the war, as they had enough engineers to basically take over construction of the Infinity (and this bothered UNSC AI Aine much, as she had trouble tracking all of the engineers' changes). But we should still keep in mind how remarkably fast a single Huragok can work. It wouldn't require large amounts at all to refit a warship.

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    • give a example of 1 of them based on the work they can do on a fleet of 10 c.c.c.s?

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote: give a example of 1 of them based on the work they can do on a fleet of 10 c.c.c.s?

      http://i.imgur.com/BFXcDGH.jpg?1 Better yet I would like you to show me. This fleet is 92.74.48.23.18.7% damaged. I want to watch 1 horagok repair it just to see how fast they work.

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    • They can disassemble a car, examine the parts, and put it back together in just a few minutes.

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    • shhh *whispers* I don't care, I'm trying to trick him into giving me a free horagok.

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    • NG101 wrote:
      216.80.140.168 wrote:

      Then Mr. NG101 you are an ignorant jerk who lacks perspective and can't foresee the end prophecies.

      I'm a man of perspectives, fantasy, faith, and a sense of awareness-pacing. You are a man of scientific perspective.

      I'm living in a house apartment, not under the rock. 

      There are differences Mr. NG101, but I don't see comparisons when it comes to the evolution of Human technologies.

      And plus I am speaking in comprehensible sentences. You just don't realize that.

      Ignorant jerk? The only ignorant here is the guy that brings up "end prophecies" without providing said prophecies or any objective evidence to back them.

      "...man of... fantasy, faith..." - Already I sign that I shouldn't take anything you say seriously...

      Figurative speech, bro.

      What?

      Comprehensible sentences? "Arrogance and ignorances is not a virtue, I fear someday in an event where a year got prophesized where is gonna be the end of humankind, where we still haven't come prepared and we are all gonna die because of our slow-pacing"

      - That required a bit of deciphering on my part. I don't know about you, but I prefer proper grammar.


      (Oh yeah, ad hominems are no way to go about an argument; just a little pro tip for you.)

      If people want to believe in the end prohpecies and try to get you to believe that to, well then that is their god given right.  They have a right to say that kind of stuff, they just don't have a right to be heard. You are not being forced to read his comments. 

      Just becuase someone is religous does not mean everything that comes out of their mouth is B. S. Sir Issac Newton was religous. 

      Yeah i don't know how the contributer didn't get that that was a figure of speech.  Mabye he is living under a rock. 

      I have no idea what he said. That was probably a coherent thought at some piont, but by the time it got to the forum it was garbled nonsense. 

      Agreed. 

      Agreed.

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    • 173.191.232.169 wrote:

      If people want to believe in the end prohpecies and try to get you to believe that to, well then that is their god given right.  They have a right to say that kind of stuff, they just don't have a right to be heard. You are not being forced to read his comments. 

      Just becuase someone is religous does not mean everything that comes out of their mouth is B. S. Sir Issac Newton was religous. 

      Yeah i don't know how the contributer didn't get that that was a figure of speech.  Mabye he is living under a rock. 

      I have no idea what he said. That was probably a coherent thought at some piont, but by the time it got to the forum it was garbled nonsense. 

      Agreed. 

      Agreed.


      given right**

      I didn't say that everything he says is bullshit because of religion, but thanks for pointing out that religion isn't credible. 

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    • religion simply means belief that requires faith, who is to say science requires a total absence of faith?

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:
      religion simply means belief that requires faith, who is to say science requires a total absence of faith?

      Religion is complete faith in something extraordinary with absolutely zero proof to back it up.

      Science is all proven.

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    • NG101 wrote:

      Lord of the STARS wrote:
      religion simply means belief that requires faith, who is to say science requires a total absence of faith?

      Religion is complete faith in something extraordinary with absolutely zero proof to back it up.

      Science is all proven.

      You have any idea how controversial this is going to get if we continue at it? I have literally seen people kill each other over it. Back to topic.

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    • NG101 wrote:
      Lord of the STARS wrote:
      religion simply means belief that requires faith, who is to say science requires a total absence of faith?
      Religion is complete faith in something extraordinary with absolutely zero proof to back it up.

      Science is all proven.

      If Science was all proven, nothing would be a "theroy." And there is nothing wrong with religion. I don't understand why people think Science and religion can't coexist. I'm atheist but I don't get around saying religion is pointless. Heck, some of the greatest scientists were men of faith. 

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    • It's best to drop this subject.

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    • Commando Trooper wrote:
      It's best to drop this subject.

      I'm going to, just wanted to get that across.

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote:

      NG101 wrote:
      Lord of the STARS wrote:
      religion simply means belief that requires faith, who is to say science requires a total absence of faith?
      Religion is complete faith in something extraordinary with absolutely zero proof to back it up.

      Science is all proven.

      If Science was all proven, nothing would be a "theroy." And there is nothing wrong with religion. I don't understand why people think Science and religion can't coexist. I'm atheist but I don't get around saying religion is pointless. Heck, some of the greatest scientists were men of faith. 

      Hey look, the best atheist I've seen in my entire life. I guess I lost a bet that I'd never find one who is awesome.

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    • Commando Trooper wrote: It's best to drop this subject.

      But yah, lets do this, you know, before people get hurt.

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote:
      NG101 wrote:
      Lord of the STARS wrote:
      religion simply means belief that requires faith, who is to say science requires a total absence of faith?
      Religion is complete faith in something extraordinary with absolutely zero proof to back it up.

      Science is all proven.

      If Science was all proven, nothing would be a "theroy." And there is nothing wrong with religion. I don't understand why people think Science and religion can't coexist. I'm atheist but I don't get around saying religion is pointless. Heck, some of the greatest scientists were men of faith. 

      You obviously don't understand the scientific definition of theory.

      You know, gravity is a theory...

      And I'll just throw this out there, religion is not exactly required for anything good that has happened. 

      But back to the topic of this thread...

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    • NG101 wrote:
      DMR4LIFE wrote:
      NG101 wrote:
      Lord of the STARS wrote:
      religion simply means belief that requires faith, who is to say science requires a total absence of faith?
      Religion is complete faith in something extraordinary with absolutely zero proof to back it up.

      Science is all proven.

      If Science was all proven, nothing would be a "theroy." And there is nothing wrong with religion. I don't understand why people think Science and religion can't coexist. I'm atheist but I don't get around saying religion is pointless. Heck, some of the greatest scientists were men of faith. 
      You obviously don't understand the scientific definition of theory.

      You know, gravity is a theory...

      And I'll just throw this out there, religion is not exactly required for anything good that has happened. 

      But back to the topic of this thread...

      sigh...

      Oh yea, topic. Elites would beat the Brutes since they would win the air battle, thus being able to dominate the groud war. Brutes might win some small engagements but they would lose the overall war.

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    • I think that both species are just as good as one another they have their advantages and disadvantages and I think there is no definite winner between the two but I passionately believe that the brutes should have a bigger impact on the story and multiplayer one thing which I think would be a good idea is a brute skin for multiplayer and a elite vs brute gamemode

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    • I personally believe the game play for who dies easier or harder then who is likely stereo typed.

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    • Elites, better in strength, speed, agility, and accuracy. In Halo Reach, 3, but NOT 2. HALO 2 brutes, oh my gosh... they murdered everything in their path. Elites had small chances of winning battles aganist them, Bungie just made brutes a "little" over powered. Bungie made brutes able to throw a grenade from any length, they were to strong. Can't wait for Halo 2 anniversary. It is going to be so good. Gonna bring back memories and have amazing graphics! Hopefully 343 does their best and not mess us multiplayer. HALO 2 Anniversary for the win!

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    • But in general elites are better. 

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    • 72.83.232.60 wrote:
      Elites, better in strength, speed, agility, and accuracy. In Halo Reach, 3, but NOT 2. HALO 2 brutes, oh my gosh... they murdered everything in their path. Elites had small chances of winning battles aganist them, Bungie just made brutes a "little" over powered. Bungie made brutes able to throw a grenade from any length, they were to strong. Can't wait for Halo 2 anniversary. It is going to be so good. Gonna bring back memories and have amazing graphics! Hopefully 343 does their best and not mess us multiplayer. HALO 2 Anniversary for the win!

      Brutes are stronger and more durable than Elites. Their accuracy is arguably the same, but Brutes are more prone to going beserek. However, Elites can also charge out hotheadedly at times.

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    • Played as ripa moramee yet?

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    • you can do that? if so I'd be to busy committing suicide for the next 4 months to actually play to win, but I know I'm suppose to.

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    • 343 should add more style into halo 5, make it so elites are more graceful with a sword, brutes are more prone to berserker rage, and elites should be able to beserk as well if you shoot them to much or if you melee them too much. And grunts and jackels are able to melee as well. And, enemies have a limited amount of ammo. And be able to tell which side is which. And I know this has nothing to do with elites vs brutes but whatever! Just an idea, that which will not come true... JUST AN IDEA :P If  you like what I said then support this by commenting back, and if you dislike this "great" idea then do the same thing. 

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    • hey also, notice how in star wars a light saber can deflect a bolt of plasma? weal in halo cannon, so can a energy sword. Also notice in star wars a light saber can block a light saber? weal in halo cannon, a energy sword can block a energy sword.

      oh and btw, I will rest happily tonight knowing that I'm not the only one who is tired of Kig-yar (and not even unggoy deserve it) should have melee ability. play halo reach fire fight, look closely at the upper leg of your Kig-yar ally when in elite mode, notice their is this cool looking desine in the armor, almost like a pocket.... know what that is? its a EMPTY, sheath for a blamite knife! Come on 34ungii, ADKNOLIAGE THE EXISTANCE OF THIS WEAPON, WE ARE HUMILIATED IN CLOSE RANGE!!! Shure, create a species who are breed and raised to be pirates, and don't even let us use our TEETH CLAWS AND ENERGY CUTLASS!!!! How long dose this have to continue???? you know what, I think I will farther vent my feelings by linking a video to make me feel better!

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    • doooon't worry, I will find where it is hidden in the search engines some day this century .

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    • I would be juuust fine with trying to find the video if I was a forerunner, they don't have a life span. They only die by being killed.

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    • found it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HxaRauyyqg yah I know it would not happen, but video makers can do what ever they want.

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    • So pumped for Halo 5, funny, 343 is looking for idea's frpm fans. If one of you guys post something to 343 and they add it to the game, then you are awesome. And the lore for halo better be good. Just kidding 343 can do whatever they want. 

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    • Elites are better, hands down.

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    • 72.83.232.60 wrote:
      Elites are better, hands down.

      Better at what, exactly? Killing humans? 

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    • NG101 wrote:
      72.83.232.60 wrote:
      Elites are better, hands down.
      Better at what, exactly? Killing humans? 

      I would say being better fighters than Brutes.

      Prophet of Truth made his biggest mistake.

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    • Exactly.

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    • 216.80.140.168 wrote:
      NG101 wrote:
      72.83.232.60 wrote:
      Elites are better, hands down.
      Better at what, exactly? Killing humans? 
      I would say being better fighters than Brutes.

      Prophet of Truth made his biggest mistake.


      Exactly, you know what I was saying.

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