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  • Despite the fact that she believes in the "greater good" and seems to love helping hummanity no matter what the cost, she seems really pissed about her arm and the events that led to it. What do you guys think is going to happen?

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    • I think Halsey will stay on the Storm's side. She can't go back to humanity because if she does she'll be executed anyway. And according to her: 'The UNSC act like children that play in a sandbox'. So maybe Jul will give Halsey more space to study whatever she wants to study. And in turn she'll make him and the Storm more powerfull (maybe with forerunner armor, weapons or vehicles, who knows?)

      I think Halsey will become an enemy in Halo 5 (if there will not be another Spartan Ops season). And that the Chief will need to kill her. Which would lead to quite an interesting moment in the story.

      What I also think Halsey will do to help Jul: Finding the Librarian and the Didact for him.

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    • she turns into a bad guy for a bit but then she goes back to humanity side because it says she was at reach in 2589 doing a speach about noble 6 and she was 97 at that time

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    • naa shes tricking them

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    • 90.222.181.65 wrote:
      she turns into a bad guy for a bit but then she goes back to humanity side because it says she was at reach in 2589 doing a speach about noble 6 and she was 97 at that time

      That's true, she did do a speech. But it didn't say that the speech was in 2589. It is presumed that it was held in 2589. But maybe she did it in a debriefing, who knows? It could be misleading.

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    • provide UNSC information

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    • i have not even seen the video!

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    • intiresting...

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    • i've been grounded :(

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    • Halsey may learn of cortona's demise and betray Chief.

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    • How dare u say that she wouldnt she has too much emotion towards him 

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    • Your right. But Halsey would be sad to hear of Cortana

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    • True but halsey knows john she would know he would try his best to save her

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    • Maybe Jhon and Halsey are on an undercover mission and that no one else knows but them. (Chief communicates with her)

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    • Maybe

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    • John will personally kick Palmer's ass if he finds out that she tried to kill Halsey. This is even more true, since Cortana is gone - for the moment. 

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    • Guys I believe halsey wont be pissed off at John (As she would be well aware of the possibility of cortanas rampansy). all she really will do is seek vengenace on the people she believes betrayed her (osman, palmer and lasky) by using the storm. after a number of attacks the storm will look like there going to win, which is where the chief will come in, he will either sav or kill halsey (most likely save and she will help stop the storm from some technology she hid away from jul). You have to remember as well cortana love john, and in theory cortana is halsey (as she was created from a clone of halsey) so she will most likely be one of the heros at the end. I believe this will be the bases of the next 2 games.

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    • Here is what I think, Halsey is pretending that she has joined the storm covenent. Then when the moment is right she will escape with the second key and probobly with information to down the storm. Oh I hope she redemms herself by sacraficing herself for humanity to make up for the evial things she did in the spartan II project.

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    • Halsey may minipulate the Storm (since she is good at that (with children) ) she may use them for her own purposes. The real question is, what purposes?

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    • I don't believe Halsey wants revenge on the UNSC and much less Humanity as a whole. I believe she is doing what she does best: manipulating. I'm sure she really is mad for being betrayed and Palmer is going to have some consequences to deal with, but I don't think she's a full-blown enemy of the UNSC, not yet at least.

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    • Maybe Halsey will actually be moved towards the Insurrectionist movement as well, since the UNSC seems to have become such a crypto-fascist Orwellian nightmare by this point.

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    • It would be interesting to bring in the Insurrectionists and some of the intra-human problems...especially for a Spartan Ops season. Maybe Insurrectionists and the Storm team up under Halsey's lead. Throw in some UNSC atrocities and maybe by Halo 5 Master Chief isn't sure which humanity to protect. Toss in some stuff about his hyper-evolution, the Mantle, and some Halsey meddling and it becomes a darker game that explores his character and such.

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    • 24.131.80.171 wrote:
      It would be interesting to bring in the Insurrectionists and some of the intra-human problems...especially for a Spartan Ops season. Maybe Insurrectionists and the Storm team up under Halsey's lead. Throw in some UNSC atrocities and maybe by Halo 5 Master Chief isn't sure which humanity to protect. Toss in some stuff about his hyper-evolution, the Mantle, and some Halsey meddling and it becomes a darker game that explores his character and such.


      I could see that happening.

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    • 82.73.22.141 wrote:
      I think Halsey will stay on the Storm's side. She can't go back to humanity because if she does she'll be executed anyway. And according to her: 'The UNSC act like children that play in a sandbox'. So maybe Jul will give Halsey more space to study whatever she wants to study. And in turn she'll make him and the Storm more powerfull (maybe with forerunner armor, weapons or vehicles, who knows?)

      I think Halsey will become an enemy in Halo 5 (if there will not be another Spartan Ops season). And that the Chief will need to kill her. Which would lead to quite an interesting moment in the story.

      What I also think Halsey will do to help Jul: Finding the Librarian and the Didact for him.

      I agree about the Storm's side theory. She could be tricking them, Halsey always wanted more knowledge. Also What about John 117? She holds a very strong relationship.

      She can also be the main or secondary enemy in Season 2.

      If she isn't shes gonna help 'Mdama destroy the Infinity.

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    • We all know that she is at some point coming back to the human side because at the end of reach she is giving a eulogy for Noble Six years after the events of Halo 4

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    • 108.14.66.41 wrote:
      We all know that she is at some point coming back to the human side because at the end of reach she is giving a eulogy for Noble Six years after the events of Halo 4

      We don't  know that for sure though, that eulugy could have taken place earlier before and of the Halo 4 events had happened. We just don't know

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    • what ever happened to her after admiral parengasky ??

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    • she was sent to Infinite to work on the ship, then was sent to the Ivanoff Research Station in orbit around the third Halo ring. After that she was sent somewhere else before being sent to Infinity at Captain Laskies resquest

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    • when did she die? and were all the halo rings detroyed?

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    • Dr Halsey is proported as being the smartest human of her age, the librarian saw this and entrustedtghe key to her for the good of humanity, halsey was awed by this act, she would not betray that duty so soon.  Most likely her vengeance will be limited to ONI since they were the ones that imprisoned her and forced her to build the infinity, destroying thawt ship and the spartan IVs would be the type of vengeance she would go for.  Over all, she would never betray her self appointed role as a caretaker of humanity, look at her interactions since the beginning, there is clearly a very deeply held belief in human ascendance.  If the UNSC still exists when shes done is a good question.

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    • I think ONI's time is up. Osman and ONI have pissed of to many people. Jul is probably going to glass the ONI HQ after Halsey get the second half of the key. not to mention the Arbiter is probably pissed that ONI was helping to destablizie Sanghelios. Master cheif sees Halsey as a mother so Halo 5 might be ONI's down fall with cheif halsey and the covenant fighting the UNSC and ONI.

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    • Her motives will change when  Jul captures Jhon and orders her to kill him.

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    • it will be sad that it all ends like that.

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    • Halsey deserves to die for the war crimes she committed and for her defection.

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    • Halsey will never betray Humanity. Especially since the Chief stands for Humanity. Halsey is in a difficult position since she is in Covenant hands. What do you expect her to do? Say I'm with Humanity and be killed by Jul? She's biding time until she can be rescued, and the best way to do that is pretend she wants to be on Jul's side by saying she wants revenge. She's a manipulative and cunning individual, but she will never betray Humanity. To do so will betray eveything that she and her Spartans worked for.

      (Rant)

      Sarah Osman is nothing more than a clone of Parongosky. A wounded Spartan, a product of Halsey, that Parangosky wanted to use against her. Parangosky wanted a trophy. Declaring someone dead and then charging her. The Spartan program is the very essence of Halsey's work. If Paraongosky and Palmer really despise what became of the S-II's, Parangosky would have never made the S-4 and Palmer should be sick that she became what is her work. Without Halsey the Spartan program wouldnt be as advanced as it is now, No Cortana, No Infinity, No Spartans, No Chief. It's all a political game. Osman now resents Halsey for what happened to her, but she has no right to end her life, without guaging the reaction from the other Spartan-II's since they consider her a mother figure. Special consideration to chief sicne the only way to get another Cortana is through her, and the connection the two have.


      In short, no one has the right to judge her except for the Spartan-II's. Killing her will solve nothing except the loss of a valuable resource, and the ultimate stab in the back for the Chief. Osman was once a Spartan, no more.

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    • In spartan ops thorn mentions to commander palmer about how "if she was a traitor commander why did she give us the key" halsey through the key to thorn ,which stopped the storm covenant from attaining key information what i think is happening is that its just halsey biding her time to get back to the unsc and that her actions have swayed the unsc's mind but to be honest halo 5 would be a better game (and darker) if she was helping the covenant and that the masterchief found out and had to go get her but there bond was ultimately broken but thats just me.

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    • john would go ape if halsey was killed and probably kill palmer considering the mental state of all the spartan 2's as stated at the start of the game "do you think the spartans were a success because they were broken to begin with" so you know halo 5/ season 2 will be quite a dark story

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    • yup halo 5 is set to be a dark game.

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    • Arbiter returns but remember that oni is just full of dicks yeah so their downfall is likely

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    • 108.206.140.101 wrote:
      Halsey may minipulate the Storm (since she is good at that (with children) ) she may use them for her own purposes. The real question is, what purposes?

      I Think you have a point, she may be manipulate the storm for her own purpose, and I think I know what it is. Halsey is The smartest mind of her generation, she wouldn't really sacrifice the human race for a petty vengence (At least I hope). I believe she is tricking the Storm into getting more Forerunner artifacts in the promise of making them into weapons. But she really wants to furthur humanity's evolution while finding a way to replace ONI and the UNSC, for they are full of corrupt and greedy people.

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    • Also, ONI should be destroyed. Reasons: People there are cruel, evil, and paranoid. They knew of the floods exisistence, even experimented on them with human test subjects (The Monalisa), and never warned the population about them in case they ever arrived (Battle for Earth). They kidnapped kids to be converted into spartans, then sending them as canon fodder for a defense aganist alien invaders. That about wraps up my opinion about them.

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    • 24.139.37.187 wrote:
      Also, ONI should be destroyed. Reasons: People there are cruel, evil, and paranoid. They knew of the floods exisistence, even experimented on them with human test subjects (The Monalisa), and never warned the population about them in case they ever arrived (Battle for Earth). They kidnapped kids to be converted into spartans, then sending them as canon fodder for a defense aganist alien invaders. That about wraps up my opinion about them.

      Ans where would Earth and humanity be without ONI, and the things it does?

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    • EmptyHead wrote:

      24.139.37.187 wrote:
      Also, ONI should be destroyed. Reasons: People there are cruel, evil, and paranoid. They knew of the floods exisistence, even experimented on them with human test subjects (The Monalisa), and never warned the population about them in case they ever arrived (Battle for Earth). They kidnapped kids to be converted into spartans, then sending them as canon fodder for a defense aganist alien invaders. That about wraps up my opinion about them.

      Ans where would Earth and humanity be without ONI, and the things it does?

      Indeed. And the only SPARTANs sent out as cannon fodder were children who technically volunteered for the chance to hit the Covies. And in times like that, people who are willing to go that far can be and are needed. There are some bad eggs but this does not make the entire nest rotten.

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    • Probably do the "Ivan Vanko" stunt like from Iron Man 2, giving Jul the needed information of the other Furerunner Installations. John-117 comes to civilized life shortly after the epilogue of Halo 4, and will briefly take control of Fred-104 on preparations of the War Games simulations having going thru one newly integrated program: FireFight with his new Blue Team members (both Kelly-087 & former S-III Team Saber members with Tom & Lucy).

      Fred was later on briefed on the situation on Dr. Halsey's "abduction" of Jul 'Mdama's Covenant Remnants, which was given false intel of her supposed execution due to being a war criminal & defector for the Covenant Remnants. Fred & his team was ordered by ONI themselves to "rescue" Halsey from Jul, and bring her back to ONI. This will lead to the return of John-117 as he is called back into duty with his old comrades of Spartan Blue Team (and returning back to playing as John for the remainder of the Halo 5 game).

      They go into a covert op mission while Halsey herself, secretly figuring out where is John, not knowing he is now searching for her. Later on in the game, she finally contacts John, in secret. Relaying him the truth, his birthrights and his real name. Then telling John that ONI will use him and dispose of him. And at the ending of the game, all but the remaining members of Blue Team (Fred, Kelly, John, Lucy, the S-IIIs) finds Halsey inside the Inner Santum of Jul 'Mdama's fortress on an unknown Covenant-held planet, Blue Team then retrieves Halsey, but John answered not to as he points his gun towards Fred, which ends in a cliffhanger; whether he shot & killed Fred or not.

      This is my type of story of the whole "darker" side of Halo 5. I tried thinking like how Halo 3 ODST & Halo Reach has in their stories. So I thought of this. XD

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    • I think since Catherine is pretty much the smartest human in the 26th century, she uses her intelligene against the human race, this is how it rolls (possibly not)

      2558: End of Second battle of requiem, Dr  H's arm shot off, Dr H joins the Storm Covenant(Wierd name ain't it)

      2559 (Its 2559 because of slipspace):Storm Covenant attack Earth so Dr H can get her stuff needed, and also a robtic arm

      2560 (again, slipspace): Dr H and Jul plan and make a bigger ship, bigger than Infinity

      2567: Dr H is classified KIA, Commander Sarah Palmer Celebrates by throwing a party, to Celebrate Dr H's death, even though shes not dead.

      2569: The new and bigger ship than Infinity is finally done, and slip spaces to Earth

      2570: The new ship exits slipspace, Sarah Palmer finds out Dr H is still alive, and sarah  needs a psycologist

      2571:the massive ship is dstroyed by infinity, and Dr H manages to make it back to earth, later, Sarah tries to kill her, but she is assaisinated by Jul, who is then assasinated himself, by an unkown spartan

      2572: Dr H is good again and she uses the key (both sides) and they find all the Forerunner technology in the galaxy

      2574: the technology is used and brings the human race batter chance of living

      2575: Reach is reterraformed, also later on, forerunner fortress class vesels are used instead of frigates, making solar eclipses more often

      2589: Dr H makes the Speach about Noble six (finally) and she later dies by 1 fart that she did, just kidding, she dies of old age

      2590: the portal to the Ark explodes, and so does a power plant in Sydney, Australia, so it was running by that power source

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    • This cannot be the end for halsey, why would 343 eliminate such a important character, who is also the human race's one hope to inherite all the forerunner relics in our galaxy...and outside it (there is another ark).

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    • 24.139.37.187 wrote: This cannot be the end for halsey, why would 343 eliminate such a important character, who is also the human race's one hope to inherite all the forerunner relics in our galaxy...and outside it (there is another ark).

      The Greater Ark was destroyed in the last stand of the Forerunners against the Flood (see Silentium) while the Lesser Ark has been heavily damaged (see Halo 3). And all Humanity really needs is the other half of the Janus Key. She may know a lot about Forerunner tech but others can learn too.

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    • I'd say that they will be helping her, not the other way around, Halsey would probably be able to manipulate anyone into doing what she wants.

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    • halsey's manipulating jul to do her dirty work, she won't turn back on the unsc more importantly humanity, shes probably just angry at ONI for trying to kill her. Why would she turn back on humanity for petty revenge she just wouldn't because she cares for and respects john. 

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    • The thing is with ONI there really cant close down its like the CIA closing down now, but the thing is if UNSC,ONI and DR.H didnt do anything humanity would of died years ago.

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    • ONI needs to be brought down at this point they probably have compleate control of the UNSC which takes the power away from the UEG so they need to be dismantled (minus section 1 and 2) the top secert section has outlive it's usefulness. 

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    • this is probable that halsey has a plan behind the head, but for now, she only want further information about the forerunner tech with the janus key.  however, because of ONI that want to kill her, his only chance of survive is to side with the storm. she will surely come back with humanity one day.

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    • 24.139.37.187 wrote:
      108.206.140.101 wrote:
      Halsey may minipulate the Storm (since she is good at that (with children) ) she may use them for her own purposes. The real question is, what purposes?
      I Think you have a point, she may be manipulate the storm for her own purpose, and I think I know what it is. Halsey is The smartest mind of her generation, she wouldn't really sacrifice the human race for a petty vengence (At least I hope). I believe she is tricking the Storm into getting more Forerunner artifacts in the promise of making them into weapons. But she really wants to furthur humanity's evolution while finding a way to replace ONI and the UNSC, for they are full of corrupt and greedy people.

      It would be interesting if Halsey tried to replace the UNSC and with it the ONI.

      But how is she going to do that?

      I think that there are still some ancient humans outside the galaxy ( those, who have the same Tech-level as the Forerunners). These humans could have left the galaxy with a precursor artifact, and could return on the same way. While studying precursor artifacts, these humans could have even reached the precursor's Tech-level!

      The UNSC could be replaced and the humanity would have the Mantle and would be transsentient.

      Maybe that's an idea for Halo 6 or 7.

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    • Its strange how no one has really mentioned the precursors who will probably play a part in the story line while humanity and the shattered covenant argue amongst themselves

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    • Crazy chameleon1 wrote: Its strange how no one has really mentioned the precursors who will probably play a part in the story line while humanity and the shattered covenant argue amongst themselves

      Not really, considering that Silentium has shown that pretty much everything Precursor is either dead or destroyed, the Flood not withstanding.

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    • Halsey and the spartan-2's will fight the Unsc and the covies with both Janus key's and the rebels/insurrectionists reclaims the mantel

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    • 173.191.234.110 wrote:
      Halsey and the spartan-2's will fight the Unsc and the covies with both Janus key's and the rebels/insurrectionists reclaims the mantel

      So terrorists become the owners of the galaxy? greeeeaaattt.....

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    • Are they terrorists or freedom fighters? Who's to say? Maybe they're just a bunch of "overtaxed farmers"

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    • 64.229.4.121 wrote: Are they terrorists or freedom fighters? Who's to say? Maybe they're just a bunch of "overtaxed farmers"

      One must remember that a major war was just fought. If you've ever studied 1939-1945, you may notice that taxes tend to go up across the board when total war is on.

      And treason is still treason. Blowing up retirement homes with nukes does not win any points from me.

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    • when did the rebells blow-up retirement homes

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    • 173.191.234.110 wrote: when did the rebells blow-up retirement homes

      See here.

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    • Still there is to much corruption in the unsc and oni.Things have to change  or the rebells will crop up again. The chief and Hasley should not join that crowd, but they should try and change the Unsc with special attention to Oni. How? I still working on that.   

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    • i think she will help the storm by making new technolagy (or however you spell it) that is possibly better then what the storm have at the moment, and probally new vehicles, but then master chief shows up unexpectedly, doing something else, and realises that she is Dr Halsey, and she would know that he wouldn't kill her, she gets rescued, she makes a new AI for master chief (maybe give him a new cortana clone( she can do that)) and she will give him the other half of the key, he stops her from being executed, and she dies from old age (remember speach at end of halo reach), or from a sudden disease she got. That is what i think will happen, if you want to add anything to this you can, but only if you want.

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    • She does know a hell of a lot about the UNSC and ONI, and she probably knows the weaknesses of many UNSC weapons, Vehicles and some of Her Spartans if not all of them...

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    • I think she will leave somthing to John and get contact with him

      The possibitys 343 can do are endless.

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    • What do you mean she will contact John? If she does the Covenant Remnant will find out and probably Kill her for trifling with the Enemy.

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    • Personally, my two cents?


      I don't think it fits Halsey's character to turn against humanity. Her achievements for humanity is what she prides herself in. Such as the quote "Spartans are the future of humanity's next step in evolution". I don't think that she can hold a grudge at all UNSC personnell, or the UEG and all its colonies, civilians etc... she isn't that cold-hearted, and illogical. 


      I think, personally, she is just toying with Jul 'Mdama. Why? She handed Thorne the key despite already having her head on the chopping block anyway. She is masking her intentions by saying that she wants revenge for her arm/status against humanity to simply convince him. At least, it seems more in line with her personality to be deceptive in order to gain an advantage. She can't go back to the UNSC currently as she would be either killed or detained, but if she can convince Jul 'Mdama that she is against them, she could have more "free reign" to carry on her own research and investigations without losing her head.


      What I do see though is her holding personal grudges against certian individuals. And possibly towards ONI. However ONI doesn't represent UNSC as a whole, so in the end this could break down to a war between sub-factions. And she merely classifying ONI as the enemy, and not the UNSC.

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    • Pelagon wrote: Personally, my two cents?


      I don't think it fits Halsey's character to turn against humanity. Her achievements for humanity is what she prides herself in. Such as the quote "Spartans are the future of humanity's next step in evolution". I don't think that she can hold a grudge at all UNSC personnell, or the UEG and all its colonies, civilians etc... she isn't that cold-hearted, and illogical. 


      I think, personally, she is just toying with Jul 'Mdama. Why? She handed Thorne the key despite already having her head on the chopping block anyway. She is masking her intentions by saying that she wants revenge for her arm/status against humanity to simply convince him. At least, it seems more in line with her personality to be deceptive in order to gain an advantage. She can't go back to the UNSC currently as she would be either killed or detained, but if she can convince Jul 'Mdama that she is against them, she could have more "free reign" to carry on her own research and investigations without losing her head.


      What I do see though is her holding personal grudges against certian individuals. And possibly towards ONI. However ONI doesn't represent UNSC as a whole, so in the end this could break down to a war between sub-factions. And she merely classifying ONI as the enemy, and not the UNSC.

      ONI? ONI had nothing to do with it, Osman ordered her death because she has a high rank in the Military, and that's how she ordered Lasky to kill Halsey, but then Palmer went to kill her, who is the Second in Command on the Infinity, also she gave Thorn half of the Janus key before she knew they ordered her death (Her death was ordered after she was kidnapped), and she did many great things for humanity... By committing crimes Against humanity, and the UNSC went like screw you we have the 4s now & the war's over we don't need you anymore, then when she tries to help get more info on the Forunners and give Thorn 1/2 of the Janus key, they try to kill her anyway, It's not that I don't like your idea, it's just this are the facts, and I doubt 343 will make her good again, us much as We might not like it 343 probably think it would thicken the very plain story about getting the Janus Key, I mean come on you got 2 more halo games to make and you already destroyed Requiem, possibly kill of the Didact, brought in the Janus key and turned Halsey into a bad... Person, seriously 343?

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    • I agree that it's not in the natue of the character to help him. Everything she did in her life was for the goal of protecting humanity (not necessarily the UNSC), and it doesn't make sense that she would turn around on that and help someone who is hell-bent on humanity's destruction. That being said, who says she's going to help him? Dr. Catherine Halsey is as devious and manipulative as she is brilliant. It is entirely within her character to be using 'Mdama for her own purposes. Those purposes may not include the well-being of the UNSC, but they will include (at least in her mind) what's best for humanity.


      If not, then I have a serious bone to pick with 343i.

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    • ZeroTo100 wrote:
      24.131.80.171 wrote:
      It would be interesting to bring in the Insurrectionists and some of the intra-human problems...especially for a Spartan Ops season. Maybe Insurrectionists and the Storm team up under Halsey's lead. Throw in some UNSC atrocities and maybe by Halo 5 Master Chief isn't sure which humanity to protect. Toss in some stuff about his hyper-evolution, the Mantle, and some Halsey meddling and it becomes a darker game that explores his character and such.

      I could see that happening.

      i want to kill humans ! :) (legitimately otherwise my dad will ban me for betraying marines)

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    • Are u guys friking STUPID only humans/promethians/forerunners can require the Mantle "Halsey and the spartan-2's will fight the Unsc and the covies with both Janus key's and the rebels/insurrectionists reclaims the mantel

      So terrorists become the owners of the galaxy? greeeeaaattt....."

      seriously terrorist controling the the human race???????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      that is just stupid why the hell would 343 do that?

      but yes Dr Halsey is seriously pissed that she lost her arm so she'll some how get a revenge. but not on all of humanty (only palmer or the admiral)

      plus in the halo5 traier it seemes that master chief is not working for UNSC anymore (crack on visor cloak... his armor was fine in 4!!!!... was removed as well... shloud be fixed...)

      chief could be working for halsey yes but the covernant what the hek DIE COVENANT BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • 101.161.246.46 wrote:
      Are u guys friking STUPID only humans/promethians/forerunners can require the Mantle "Halsey and the spartan-2's will fight the Unsc and the covies with both Janus key's and the rebels/insurrectionists reclaims the mantel

      So terrorists become the owners of the galaxy? greeeeaaattt....."

      seriously terrorist controling the the human race???????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      that is just stupid why the hell would 343 do that?

      but yes Dr Halsey is seriously pissed that she lost her arm so she'll some how get a revenge. but not on all of humanty (only palmer or the admiral)

      plus in the halo5 traier it seemes that master chief is not working for UNSC anymore (crack on visor cloak... his armor was fine in 4!!!!... was removed as well... shloud be fixed...)

      chief could be working for halsey yes but the covernant what the hek DIE COVENANT BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Please don't swear, it just makes your point seem less relevant.  And the insurrectionists claiming the mantle sounds like an epic plotline for Halo 5.

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    • 101.161.246.46 wrote:
      Are u guys friking STUPID only humans/promethians/forerunners can require the Mantle "Halsey and the spartan-2's will fight the Unsc and the covies with both Janus key's and the rebels/insurrectionists reclaims the mantel

      So terrorists become the owners of the galaxy? greeeeaaattt....."

      seriously terrorist controling the the human race???????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      that is just stupid why the hell would 343 do that?

      but yes Dr Halsey is seriously pissed that she lost her arm so she'll some how get a revenge. but not on all of humanty (only palmer or the admiral)

      plus in the halo5 traier it seemes that master chief is not working for UNSC anymore (crack on visor cloak... his armor was fine in 4!!!!... was removed as well... shloud be fixed...)

      chief could be working for halsey yes but the covernant what the hek DIE COVENANT BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Dude, why the f**k are you acting like a freaking 5 year old? you are pissing me off, go away please.

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    • 101.161.246.46 wrote:
      Are u guys friking STUPID only humans/promethians/forerunners can require the Mantle "Halsey and the spartan-2's will fight the Unsc and the covies with both Janus key's and the rebels/insurrectionists reclaims the mantel

      So terrorists become the owners of the galaxy? greeeeaaattt....."

      seriously terrorist controling the the human race???????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      that is just stupid why the hell would 343 do that?

      but yes Dr Halsey is seriously pissed that she lost her arm so she'll some how get a revenge. but not on all of humanty (only palmer or the admiral)

      plus in the halo5 traier it seemes that master chief is not working for UNSC anymore (crack on visor cloak... his armor was fine in 4!!!!... was removed as well... shloud be fixed...)

      chief could be working for halsey yes but the covernant what the hek DIE COVENANT BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Son, are you retarded?

      [Darth Grunt]

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    • It is pretty funny though. 

      (dish212)

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    • 218.186.115.26 wrote:

      101.161.246.46 wrote:
      Are u guys friking STUPID only humans/promethians/forerunners can require the Mantle "Halsey and the spartan-2's will fight the Unsc and the covies with both Janus key's and the rebels/insurrectionists reclaims the mantel

      So terrorists become the owners of the galaxy? greeeeaaattt....."

      seriously terrorist controling the the human race???????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      that is just stupid why the hell would 343 do that?

      but yes Dr Halsey is seriously pissed that she lost her arm so she'll some how get a revenge. but not on all of humanty (only palmer or the admiral)

      plus in the halo5 traier it seemes that master chief is not working for UNSC anymore (crack on visor cloak... his armor was fine in 4!!!!... was removed as well... shloud be fixed...)

      chief could be working for halsey yes but the covernant what the hek DIE COVENANT BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Son, are you retarded?

      [Darth Grunt]

      Not Sure if he is Retarted but defiantly Hasn't got the Facts Right.

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    • Im jus sad tht she lost her arm, and I hope that women spartan dies cause I hate her, I hope that Halsey goes evil but at the same time goes good. And I reallyhope that the bring back the human problems like the insurects.

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    • I'm seeing a lot of people mentioning that Halsey has to do the big speech about Noble 6 and I must disagree that it is done in 2589. Reach is a tribute planet after what happened but there was still a number of years between John waking up and his original escape in 2552. Plus in the novel First Strike, it is mentioned that the covenant has not glassed the poles of the planet. That leads me to believe that the big speech happened after the war, some time during 2553 (due to the fact that the speech at the end of halo 3 was said during that year. At least in my head, it fits.

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    • 24.139.37.187 wrote:
      108.206.140.101 wrote:
      Halsey may minipulate the Storm (since she is good at that (with children) ) she may use them for her own purposes. The real question is, what purposes?
      I Think you have a point, she may be manipulate the storm for her own purpose, and I think I know what it is. Halsey is The smartest mind of her generation, she wouldn't really sacrifice the human race for a petty vengence (At least I hope). I believe she is tricking the Storm into getting more Forerunner artifacts in the promise of making them into weapons. But she really wants to furthur humanity's evolution while finding a way to replace ONI and the UNSC, for they are full of corrupt and greedy people.

      UNSC? Full of corrupt and greedy people? Puh-lease. The UNSC is the force that is keeping Humanity alive. The UNSC is UEG's military, exploration and scientific branch that is full of honest, courageous and selfless people with a leader like Lord Terrence Hood leading it and men like Thomas Lasky, Sarah Palmer, Marines, Army Troopers and SPARTANs serving the needs of Humanity, protecting it from danger. If you destroy the UNSC, you destroy Humanity's security and leave it vulnerable for total and utter extinction. I ask again, would you like to see the downfall of the Human race (our own race) because the intelligence organization is a sub-branch of the main defender? I'd say the UNSC has to open its eyes and re-organize ONI, removing old personnel and putting more trustworthy in the seats.

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    • 212.93.105.90 wrote:
      24.139.37.187 wrote:
      108.206.140.101 wrote:
      Halsey may minipulate the Storm (since she is good at that (with children) ) she may use them for her own purposes. The real question is, what purposes?
      I Think you have a point, she may be manipulate the storm for her own purpose, and I think I know what it is. Halsey is The smartest mind of her generation, she wouldn't really sacrifice the human race for a petty vengence (At least I hope). I believe she is tricking the Storm into getting more Forerunner artifacts in the promise of making them into weapons. But she really wants to furthur humanity's evolution while finding a way to replace ONI and the UNSC, for they are full of corrupt and greedy people.
      UNSC? Full of corrupt and greedy people? Puh-lease. The UNSC is the force that is keeping Humanity alive. The UNSC is UEG's military, exploration and scientific branch that is full of honest, courageous and selfless people with a leader like Lord Terrence Hood leading it and men like Thomas Lasky, Sarah Palmer, Marines, Army Troopers and SPARTANs serving the needs of Humanity, protecting it from danger. If you destroy the UNSC, you destroy Humanity's security and leave it vulnerable for total and utter extinction. I ask again, would you like to see the downfall of the Human race (our own race) because the intelligence organization is a sub-branch of the main defender? I'd say the UNSC has to open its eyes and re-organize ONI, removing old personnel and putting more trustworthy in the seats.

      Oops, I meant Men and women like Thomas Lasky, Sarah Palmer and so on.

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    • I'm just saying for Halsey to "betray" humanity in any way shape or form is frankly not believable.  


      Sure, she may have issues with this group or that group, but actively join the Covenant and turn against her own species?  


      Bad storytelling.  Just bad storytelling.  

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    • The most interesting way this could turn out would be 117 joining Halsey and fighting the UNSC.  Or Halsey using the elites to squash the human rebelion.  Or Halsey turning some of the covenant against the rest.

      All in all, I think Halsey is pretty bada$$ and I want her to be a good guy.

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    • 90.222.181.65 wrote:
      she turns into a bad guy for a bit but then she goes back to humanity side because it says she was at reach in 2589 doing a speach about noble 6 and she was 97 at that time


      This is what i dont get, granted i havent finished halo 4 yet but i dont mind spoilers so where did you find this out?

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    • 27.253.74.151 wrote:

      90.222.181.65 wrote:
      she turns into a bad guy for a bit but then she goes back to humanity side because it says she was at reach in 2589 doing a speach about noble 6 and she was 97 at that time


      This is what i dont get, granted i havent finished halo 4 yet but i dont mind spoilers so where did you find this out?

      The bit about 2589? You find that bit out at the very end of Halo: Reach, after Lone Wolf.

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    • 90.222.181.65 wrote: she turns into a bad guy for a bit but then she goes back to humanity side because it says she was at reach in 2589 doing a speach about noble 6 and she was 97 at that time

      Great point. I don't think that she is faking it, but I do believe that Halsey will realize what a dumba** decision she made to join the Remnant.

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    • 24.139.37.187 wrote:
      Also, ONI should be destroyed. Reasons: People there are cruel, evil, and paranoid. They knew of the floods exisistence, even experimented on them with human test subjects (The Monalisa), and never warned the population about them in case they ever arrived (Battle for Earth). They kidnapped kids to be converted into spartans, then sending them as canon fodder for a defense aganist alien invaders. That about wraps up my opinion about them.

      I completely agree with you. The kids were brainwashed, thinking that they were privileged. Incorrect. No real family, and no idea of civilian life. If the ONI really tested the Flood on innocents, that's where anyone would put their foot down. I'm suprised that most of you don't have a problem with them. 

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    • Halsey is going to get all the infomation she can from Jul and once she finds John-117, she is going help him. Plus, she is probably going to still be angry at Palmer for shotting her, and even more upset when she learns the UNSC wanted her dead. I have afeeling they will send John after her without him knowing. 

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    • Halsey is playing the long game here, Jul Mdama is in possession of the other half of the Janus Key. She is gonna manipulate the Storm till she comes into possession of the key and then defect to the UNSC. Then steal the other half and defect once again to find John.

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    • The reason Halsey is the franchise punching bag is because see went from Eric Nylund's favorite character to Karin "fuck canon" Traviss's most hated, everything else about the halo books (and Halo 4's story) is fine but she needs to drop her personal vendetta 

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    • She helps Storm but turns back to humanity when John asks for her help to bring Cortana back. She sacrifices herself to bring Cortana back, trusting in that version of herself to correct her mistakes in helping Storm. The Halsey that gives the speech at Reach is actually Cortana.

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    • 82.73.22.141 wrote: I think Halsey will stay on the Storm's side. She can't go back to humanity because if she does she'll be executed anyway. And according to her: 'The UNSC act like children that play in a sandbox'. So maybe Jul will give Halsey more space to study whatever she wants to study. And in turn she'll make him and the Storm more powerfull (maybe with forerunner armor, weapons or vehicles, who knows?)

      I think Halsey will become an enemy in Halo 5 (if there will not be another Spartan Ops season). And that the Chief will need to kill her. Which would lead to quite an interesting moment in the story.

      What I also think Halsey will do to help Jul: Finding the Librarian and the Didact for him.

      Your idea very similar to what ive been able to figure out. But, I dont think Halsey will become enemy. Its likely that she will stay with the Remnant, simply because of what you posted. But, dont forget: She doesnt worship Forerunners. Shes just 'hitchhicking', because the Remnants isn 'end to her means'. ONI wants her dead, most of Humanity already thinks she is dead(presumed dead on Reach, while she was actually being held by ONI). The closest way 'to learn all there is the galaxy', is by siding with the Remnant, as they are FAR better. And would people PLEASE stop saying 'What about the end of Reach?' Its likely non-canon, to show that not all is lost. And, since 343 now OWNS the saga, they can do with it whatever the FUCK they want. They already changed the Forerunner symbolism.

      Its currently unknown what Chief will do. I think thats upto you. Thats the bit about: Chief facing his humanity: Having to choose, and doubts about what to do. I couldnt think of a more Human thing to do. I do believe, whether Chief goes along or not, Halsey will use EVERYTHING she knows about ONI and EVERYTHING the Remnant has against it. Personally, I can see Chief starting a Campaign against ONI's stuff across the galaxy, eventually killing Serin Osman and destroying the Infinity.

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    • If the Chief finds out and Halsey explains why she joined......who would he pull the trigger on? His 'Mother' figure, the Covenant leader, or Serin Osman. She might want revenge...but what about John what would she do about her most trusted Spartan?

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    • I find this funny, a tougher, stronger variant of a foe serves an even more powerful person, and they try, and in this case succeed, in trying to convert someone to their side. And also they wear a white hand. First person to see what this seems to be based off of wins a million dollars.

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    • Wasn't dr halsy murdered by one of her own Spartan 2s?

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    • 82.73.22.141 wrote: I think Halsey will stay on the Storm's side. She can't go back to humanity because if she does she'll be executed anyway. And according to her: 'The UNSC act like children that play in a sandbox'. So maybe Jul will give Halsey more space to study whatever she wants to study. And in turn she'll make him and the Storm more powerfull (maybe with forerunner armor, weapons or vehicles, who knows?)

      I think Halsey will become an enemy in Halo 5 (if there will not be another Spartan Ops season). And that the Chief will need to kill her. Which would lead to quite an interesting moment in the story.

      What I also think Halsey will do to help Jul: Finding the Librarian and the Didact for him.

      I agree with most of the things you are saying but I think in halo 5 are whatever thay are calling it, Humanity will become to big for their boots and become like the covenant where and they will become evil always seeking power and then they'll get out of control and maby this is why John 117 left the infinity crew and became 'rogue'.

      John may want to try and stop humanity with haulsey and the storm covenant, not wipe them out, but stop them.
      This is all theory and speculation and is most likely not to be the case.
      
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    • Has anyone tried asking halesy?

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    • 90.222.132.253 wrote:

      82.73.22.141 wrote: I think Halsey will stay on the Storm's side. She can't go back to humanity because if she does she'll be executed anyway. And according to her: 'The UNSC act like children that play in a sandbox'. So maybe Jul will give Halsey more space to study whatever she wants to study. And in turn she'll make him and the Storm more powerfull (maybe with forerunner armor, weapons or vehicles, who knows?)

      I think Halsey will become an enemy in Halo 5 (if there will not be another Spartan Ops season). And that the Chief will need to kill her. Which would lead to quite an interesting moment in the story.

      What I also think Halsey will do to help Jul: Finding the Librarian and the Didact for him.

      I agree with most of the things you are saying but I think in halo 5 are whatever thay are calling it, Humanity will become to big for their boots and become like the covenant where and they will become evil always seeking power and then they'll get out of control and maby this is why John 117 left the infinity crew and became 'rogue'.John may want to try and stop humanity with haulsey and the storm covenant, not wipe them out, but stop them.this is all theory and speculation and is most likely not to be the case.

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    • No sireusly, some one should find the person who writes halseys script, refer to them as "hey halsey", and when they turn mouth agape to say "eeeexcuuuse me???" tell them, "Just tell me what in the world your character is up to please?."

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    • Here's whats going to happen. Halsey is going to steal a covanent ship and find John, after that she will locate all the spartan 2's and she will act as their leader as they take over the infinity and use it to create a new race of super humans. The End.

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    • The 2nd Mass wrote:
      Here's whats going to happen. Halsey is going to steal a covanent ship and find John, after that she will locate all the spartan 2's and she will act as their leader as they take over the infinity and use it to create a new race of super humans. The End.

      Yea, No. 

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote:

      The 2nd Mass wrote:
      Here's whats going to happen. Halsey is going to steal a covanent ship and find John, after that she will locate all the spartan 2's and she will act as their leader as they take over the infinity and use it to create a new race of super humans. The End.

      Yea, No. 

      how do you know that wasn't halsy dmr?

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    • All I know is that this chat is getting out of control.

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    • 103.4.100.40 wrote:
      All I know is that this chat is getting out of control.

      lol, heretic dinofox

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote:

      103.4.100.40 wrote:
      All I know is that this chat is getting out of control.

      lol, heretic dinofox

      Forever.

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    • Halsey is a grade A bitch. I used to think she was an intelligent scientist forced to create the spartan program but the more I read the books the more I realize she's an evil B who kiddnaped a bunch of kids and brainwashed them. She became their "mother" figure while Halsey totally ignored her own daughter untill after she died. Osman as a washed out spartan has every reason to want Halsey dead before Halsey commits any more crimes against humanity and I agree with Osman who is awesome. That said Halsey wouldn't give half the librarians map to Majestic team and then turn totally hostle. She is a prisoner of Jul and is obviously playing along to stay alive for now. Also bungie described the UNSC as a force for good like star fleet even if they occasionally do bad things they are not going to turn into an evil empire.  

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    • 4.28.153.60 wrote:
      Halsey is a grade A bitch. I used to think she was an intelligent scientist forced to create the spartan program but the more I read the books the more I realize she's an evil B who kiddnaped a bunch of kids and brainwashed them. She became their "mother" figure while Halsey totally ignored her own daughter untill after she died. Osman as a washed out spartan has every reason to want Halsey dead before Halsey commits any more crimes against humanity and I agree with Osman who is awesome. That said Halsey wouldn't give half the librarians map to Majestic team and then turn totally hostle. She is a prisoner of Jul and is obviously playing along to stay alive for now. Also bungie described the UNSC as a force for good like star fleet even if they occasionally do bad things they are not going to turn into an evil empire.  

      She cared for those spartans as her own children and even tried to save some of them late in the war. She helped create one of the greatest assets to the UNSC to help them win the war. You also forgeting ONI was trying to kill her and she is only working with Jul because she wants revenge and wants to learn more about the Key. She isn't the nicest person but I think she is a great character, one who is not "a grade a bitch".

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    • ya I know, halsy is a cuddly one isn't she? *chuckling spicy humoredly*

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote:
      4.28.153.60 wrote:
      Halsey is a grade A bitch. I used to think she was an intelligent scientist forced to create the spartan program but the more I read the books the more I realize she's an evil B who kiddnaped a bunch of kids and brainwashed them. She became their "mother" figure while Halsey totally ignored her own daughter untill after she died. Osman as a washed out spartan has every reason to want Halsey dead before Halsey commits any more crimes against humanity and I agree with Osman who is awesome. That said Halsey wouldn't give half the librarians map to Majestic team and then turn totally hostle. She is a prisoner of Jul and is obviously playing along to stay alive for now. Also bungie described the UNSC as a force for good like star fleet even if they occasionally do bad things they are not going to turn into an evil empire.  
      She cared for those spartans as her own children and even tried to save some of them late in the war. She helped create one of the greatest assets to the UNSC to help them win the war. You also forgeting ONI was trying to kill her and she is only working with Jul because she wants revenge and wants to learn more about the Key. She isn't the nicest person but I think she is a great character, one who is not "a grade a bitch".

      Halsey kiddnapped (some very forcefully) a bunch of 6 year old colonial children and turned them into child soilders and ultimatly all but a handful died. Oni is trying to kill Halsey becuase shes a huge war criminal who breached opsec on infinity. The reason no spartans are from earth is becuase her activites were super illegal and would have been noticed by the government on earth. Spartans were also created to fight insugent humans who were dangerous but not on a species genocide scale. Later she tried to save some adult spartans becuase she thought the war was lost and humanity was going to be eradicated so she wanted leave eveyone else to die and hide with her spartans. She is still not going to help Jul crush humanity but she might help him use the map.   

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    • 110.33.4.106 wrote:
      Halsey will never betray Humanity. Especially since the Chief stands for Humanity. Halsey is in a difficult position since she is in Covenant hands. What do you expect her to do? Say I'm with Humanity and be killed by Jul? She's biding time until she can be rescued, and the best way to do that is pretend she wants to be on Jul's side by saying she wants revenge. She's a manipulative and cunning individual, but she will never betray Humanity. To do so will betray eveything that she and her Spartans worked for.

      (Rant)

      Sarah Osman is nothing more than a clone of Parongosky. A wounded Spartan, a product of Halsey, that Parangosky wanted to use against her. Parangosky wanted a trophy. Declaring someone dead and then charging her. The Spartan program is the very essence of Halsey's work. If Paraongosky and Palmer really despise what became of the S-II's, Parangosky would have never made the S-4 and Palmer should be sick that she became what is her work. Without Halsey the Spartan program wouldnt be as advanced as it is now, No Cortana, No Infinity, No Spartans, No Chief. It's all a political game. Osman now resents Halsey for what happened to her, but she has no right to end her life, without guaging the reaction from the other Spartan-II's since they consider her a mother figure. Special consideration to chief sicne the only way to get another Cortana is through her, and the connection the two have.


      In short, no one has the right to judge her except for the Spartan-II's. Killing her will solve nothing except the loss of a valuable resource, and the ultimate stab in the back for the Chief. Osman was once a Spartan, no more.

      I agree with everything you said before the (rant) section. Osman is a Spartan 2 that almost died during the surgical enhancement phase and washed out. She has every right to hate Halsey for kidnapping her and a bunch of children at 6 years old. Osman as the head of ONI has the right to order the exicution of a war criminal. Yes Halsey is a huge war criminal. Kidnapping, human cloning etc. and she did it all to fight the colonial insurgency not the covenant. Finally the spartan 4's came from volunteers already enlisted in special forces like ODST they are not as genitically modified as spartan 2's and the process was improved over 30 odd years. the spartan 4's are not kidnapped children that's the difference.

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    • 108.219.236.168 wrote:
      I find this funny, a tougher, stronger variant of a foe serves an even more powerful person, and they try, and in this case succeed, in trying to convert someone to their side. And also they wear a white hand. First person to see what this seems to be based off of wins a million dollars.

      Uruk-hai, I am seriously surprised that no one figured out my little puzzle.

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    • Is it cheating to look it up?

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    • 108.219.236.168 wrote:
      108.219.236.168 wrote:
      I find this funny, a tougher, stronger variant of a foe serves an even more powerful person, and they try, and in this case succeed, in trying to convert someone to their side. And also they wear a white hand. First person to see what this seems to be based off of wins a million dollars.
      Uruk-hai, I am seriously surprised that no one figured out my little puzzle.

      Right... cause you have a million dollars to give away. 

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    • kig-yar would take any currency and weald it more cunningly then the people who invented the currency while also spending more then they actually had and all of it being imposable to disprove as legal currency.

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    • Everyone forgets that hte real reason Parangosky had it in for Halsey is because she kidnapped Kelly and then tricked other Spartan-IIs into being deployed to Onyx during the Battle For Earth.

      That's the real reason for all the anger.  Yes, the Spartan-II program was, fundamentally, evil and immortal (kidnapped child soldiers can't be justified, no matter what)  but ONI as a whole collectively shared responsibility for that, and Parangosky had even said that several times.   That wasn't the reason everyone was pissed at her, and never really had been.

      No, the reason she was hated by ONI's leadership is because she stole combat assets from humanity during the time of it's greatest need. 

      Do you guys understand that?  She took Spartans away from Earth while Earth was being attacked by the Covenant.  Our last major world, our homeworld.   It was the end, there was nowhere else to fall back if the Covenant won.   And she decided, in a momumental act of cowardice, to steal Spartans away from Earth.  

      That's high treason, by any definition.  The only reason they didn't have her shot after that was because she was still useful.  But they would have been entirely justified in having her shot.  

      They certainly would now, since she has now betrayed humanity a second time. 

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    • Gabriel Thorne wrote: Everyone forgets that hte real reason Parangosky had it in for Halsey is because she kidnapped Kelly and then tricked other Spartan-IIs into being deployed to Onyx during the Battle For Earth.

      That's the real reason for all the anger.  Yes, the Spartan-II program was, fundamentally, evil and immortal (kidnapped child soldiers can't be justified, no matter what)  but ONI as a whole collectively shared responsibility for that, and Parangosky had even said that several times.   That wasn't the reason everyone was pissed at her, and never really had been.

      No, the reason she was hated by ONI's leadership is because she stole combat assets from humanity during the time of it's greatest need. 

      Do you guys understand that?  She took Spartans away from Earth while Earth was being attacked by the Covenant.  Our last major world, our homeworld.   It was the end, there was nowhere else to fall back if the Covenant won.   And she decided, in a momumental act of cowardice, to steal Spartans away from Earth.  

      That's high treason, by any definition.  The only reason they didn't have her shot after that was because she was still useful.  But they would have been entirely justified in having her shot.  

      They certainly would now, since she has now betrayed humanity a second time. 

      Pretty sure I've said this elsewhere. Thank you. FINALLY someone who sees this!

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    • Karl-591 wrote:

      Pretty sure I've said this elsewhere. Thank you. FINALLY someone who sees this!

      You're welcome.   I've felt the same way on alot of these forums, like the lone voice of reason.  

      Unfortunately lots of posters here seem to be entirely ruled by fanboyish preference or pure emotion, rather than logic, which leads to them missing some pretty obvious things like this.   Sigh.

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    • Another thing, is Catherine Halsey returns to reach. For a Eulogy. Despite being with the Storm faction she still will return to humanity, regardless. 

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    • There is either a prison cell or a bullet awaiting her.    She's betrayed humanity twice now.   You don't steal Spartans and resources from Earth while it's getting bombarded from orbit by an alien armada and expect to just have everyone forgive you.   You don't hack a ship's AI and break out of custody and then run to the Storm Covenant for sanctuary and get to just say "oops, my bad".  

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    • No, but Halsey had survivors guilt that superceded any real logic she had. I mean, of course she wanted to save the Spartans. She thought of them all as her children, and they her as a mother figure. That is to say some of them did rebel, much to Halsey's annoyance. They decided to keep her alive, and have to live with what they did. Halsey is a cunning woman, a powerful ally or enemy. I mean look at Cortana, (in her rampant times) she halted John (unwittingly, it wasn't on purpose of course.) The Didact escaped, but even then she kept enough of her wits about her to immobilize him. Destroying herself in the process. Miranda Keyes, she died to save another as well. I think there's a pattern with the Halsey women. Halsey's 'daughters' are all but gone. Halsey thinks they were all sent to terminate her, and she's out for blood. She has a very open dislike of ONI, and the fact that Palmer tried to assassinate her. I think Palmer should look out. I wonder if John will see Halsey and confront her about what happened. I think it would be interesting, and like a 'killing blow' perse, if John was to reject Halsey for what she was doing with the Covenant Storm fraction. Who knows? Perhaps Halsey is pulling a Katherine Pierce, 'switching' loyalty only to suit her needs, until she goes back to humanity. Pretending to defect. The problem is, we don't exactly know where her loyalties lie. As with Humanity she has done alot of great things. The downfall of Halsey being with the Storm is that she can integrate Forerunner technology into their things. Better healthcare. Weaponry. A.I. Maybe she'll help them make 'Smart' Covenant AI. Either way, I don't think anyone here is particularly innocent, and I think I went quite a bit off on a tangent somewhere in this. ._. Sorry if it doesn't make the least bit of sense. 

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    • I don't think she really wants to help the covenant as much as she just wants to get back at the UNSC and ONI. She is still human and she doesn't want to hurt them, she just wants a little revenge. 

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    • But remember, the UNSC almost KILLED her, so it's not surprising that she wants to kill some of them (like Osman). She just doesn't really want to help the Covenant wipe out the entire Human race.

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    • She probably caused the deaths of many people during the Battle For Earth when she tricked Spartan-Blue team into looking for her on Onyx, instead of continueing to fight the Covenant on Earth.  Not to mention depriving eath of Kelly, who was fully healed by the time she got out of Slipspace. 

      Palmer followed Osman's orders.   Osman,  herself, showed quite a bit of mercy by allowing Halsey to live even this long, despite the recommendations of many fellow ONI people that she dispose of Halsey long before.   But there is no countenacing a second betrayal.  

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    • Well Osman and ONI can kill Halsey if they can but try explaining to John "We're sorry we had to kill your mother and the creator of Cortana." 

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    • If John knows everything at this point, he probably isn't terribly happy with Halsey. 

      Naomi, Musa, and Serin Osman certainly are not, and they are all Spartan-IIs.   Even Kurt, who ran the Spartan-III program, wasn't terribly happy with Halsey by the time they were rescued.   

      George said nothing when Carter-A259 and Catherine-B320 chewed out Halsey and even threatened to have her arrested for interefering with their operation. 

      Recall that Fred, Linda, and Kelly did nothing in retaliation when LucyB-091 punched Halsey in the face.   They might think of her as "mother", but the Spartan-IIs are also not blindly loyal to her, they know she's done wrong things and that she can be mistaken.   (When Kurt placed Fred in command, Fred did *not* go along with everything Halsey said, but put her in her place when necessary.) 

      You're also forgetting that Halsey was "mother" to Osman as well.  That didn't stop her from issuing the kill order, because she knew it had to be done. 

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    • True but while she might have done bad things, she is also the reason why Humanity won the war against the covenant. With out her help, the humans would not have lasted as long. I feel that now that the war is over, the UNSC is just punishing her because they feel like they have some moral obligation to do so. She has done both good and bad things in her life but I think people only see what she has done wrong. 

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    • That's childish logic. 

      She still stole Spartans from Earth during the battle for Earth, and then broke out of imprisonment and fled into the arms of a known enemy.  

      It doesn't matter what else she's done.  She is a traitor.  Whatever justifications, feelings, etc that she makes up to rationalize that don't matter. 

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    • So indeed she deserves to die? if so, can we please do it my way for once?

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    • Gabriel Thorne wrote:
      That's childish logic. 

      She still stole Spartans from Earth during the battle for Earth, and then broke out of imprisonment and fled into the arms of a known enemy.  

      It doesn't matter what else she's done.  She is a traitor.  Whatever justifications, feelings, etc that she makes up to rationalize that don't matter. 

      Wow... rude much. Just because I'm on the other side doesn't give my argument any less credit. Now, back to the topic, good people can do bad things. George Washington owned slaves and Abraham Lincoln had Native Americans killed in cold blood. Yes, Halsey has done bad things but she has also done great things too. Who knows where human evolution will go because of her work. She created one of the greatest and most intelligent AI's ever and helped give humanity a fighting chance to beat back the covenant, though that wasn't their purpose in the first place. The point is, you can't talk about her bad deeds without talking about the good ones either. 

      Also, this would be childish logic: Without Halsey, there would no Halo games because John-117 would have never existed. 

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote:

      Wow... rude much. Just because I'm on the other side doesn't give my argument any less credit.

      Your argument doesn't get as much credit because it's not an arguement. It's just a vapid appeal to emotion.   

      It doesn't matter if she has "done good and done bad".    We aren't talking about morality here.   She committed treason by stealing resources and personnel from the UNSC while Earth was being bombarded from orbit.    Then she committed treason again by fleeing to the Storm Covenant.

      Whether you're personally a fan of that character or not is pretty irrelevant. 

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    • Gabriel Thorne wrote:
      DMR4LIFE wrote:

      Wow... rude much. Just because I'm on the other side doesn't give my argument any less credit.

      Your argument doesn't get as much credit because it's not an arguement. It's just a vapid appeal to emotion.   

      It doesn't matter if she has "done good and done bad".    We aren't talking about morality here.   She committed treason by stealing resources and personnel from the UNSC while Earth was being bombarded from orbit.    Then she committed treason again by fleeing to the Storm Covenant.

      Whether you're personally a fan of that character or not is pretty irrelevant. 

      So that would make God the villian in the bible, since he kills millions of people. But he's not is he, at least in some people's opinion. Becuase that's what this is all about, perception. 

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote:

      So that would make God the villian in the bible, since he kills millions of people. But he's not is he, at least in some people's opinion. Becuase that's what this is all about, perception. 

      Nice try at using an nonsensical religious example to derail the discussion.  Not buying it.  

      This isn't about perception.  It's about law.  She's a traitor.  She betrayed her government and betrayed mankind, twice.   She's repeatedly shown that she'll basically do whatever she wants, including getting people killed and ignoring all rules and loyalty to her own species, whenever she has some hard feelings that she can't deal with. 

      That sounds like somebody who's needs to be put down.

      But hey, whatever.  Keep your fanboyish love and devotion to her, even though most of the characters in the setting itself that see her as "mom" recognize that she's also full of shit half the time and can't be trusted. 

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    • Yes it is all about preception. The fact that we see her in two different lights is proof in it's self. You're choosing to only see her in a bad light, while I'm just showing you she is not just "bad". Every person in history has done good and bad deeds yet people will only see them for what they want to believe. Most people only see Hitler in a bad light, while they see FDR in a goood one. The fact is they both did good and bad things but people will only see what they want to see.

      I know Halsey is a traitor and that she is self centered, but to ingore everything else about her is short sighted. Now, I would love to continue this conversation but I spending the day with my father, since it is father's day. However, I will gladly come back to this later in the day. Because no matter what, we aren't going to agree because of how we choose to see this character. 

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    • To answer your question dmr, the old testament is about the wraith of God, while the new testament is about the Love of God. How ever, that is illrelavent as in the halo universe, the bible would have aloooooot more pages, possibly a 3rd testament, and tell a whooooole nouther story! And all sentient species would have their own copy of the bible, which they will one day achieve space faring status and learn is just a copy of the mantel.

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote:
       Most people only see Hitler in a bad light, while they see FDR in a goood one. The fact is they both did good and bad things but people will only see what they want to see.

      So, are you one of those people who sees Hitler in a good light?   Please, tell all about how awesome you think Hitler is.   

      That was sarcasm, by the way.    Talk about using the dumbest example ever.    You did *not* prove your point by that, in case I need to spell it out for you. 

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    • All I'm saying is people are not black and white, as you seem to think. Your ingorance is blinding you and you're taking my words out of context. I said Hitler did good and bad things, just like anyother person has done in history. But in your infinite wisdom, you once again only took part of my argument and twisted it to fit your needs. You would make a great politician since you seem to ingore the issue I'm presenting and take things out of context to try and prove your point.

      And FYI, Stalin and Mao Zedong killed more people then Hitler. Yes, Hitler was a mad man who tried to wipe out the Jews and started the bloodiest conflict in human history. But he also took a country from the ashes, made Germany a world power again, and made the people proud to be German. But hey, yee see Halsey as a black or white character so why not see everything else as such? People, in yor opinion, cannot be complex and are either one thing, or another. So next to try to counter my example, why don't you get back on topic. Because all you've done is taken a bit of my argument, and twisted it like you're running a smear campaign.

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    • Man I love watching these discussions. It's like watching fireworks.

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    • Commando Trooper wrote:
      Man I love watching these discussions. It's like watching fireworks.

      Lol dude, nice!!!! Now off to work. 

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote: But he also took a country from the ashes, made Germany a world power again, and made the people proud to be German. But hey, yee see Halsey as a black or white character so why not see everything else as such? People, in yor opinion, cannot be complex and are either one thing, or another. 

      Nope, nope, nope.  Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.  

      I see you've made violent white-supremacism into "made the people proud to be German".    I guess I shouldn't be surprised that there is at least one Nazi-sympathizer on these forums.  Also, thanks for telling me my opinions, even though those aren't my opinions at all.   I see you're fond of putting words in people's mouths.  

      It doesn't matter how complex she is.   Some crimes override all complexity, do you not understand that?  Do you not understand that doing some good doesn't erase evil that a person has done?    

      This is why I said you're using childish logic, because you're reasoning this out like a fucking four year old.  There is no bank of moral credit where you can tip the scales in your favor.   Even a single wrong action condemns a person.  It doesn't matter if they've donated to charity all their lives and run an orphanage (or whatever),  if they go out and committ murder, they should go to jail and/or be executed. 

      If they betray their country or their nation and give aid to the enemy, it doesn't fucking matter what else they've done, how complex a person they are,  how they supposedly saved humanity, etc.   They're a fucking traitor now, and they should pay for it.    You don't get to just walk off and say "oops, my bad" when you do something like that, no matter what good you've done. 

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    • Uhhh, last I checked if you walk up to a germen and call them a natzy they will kick your ass. Try it, see what happens. :)

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    • Let me explain it to you like you're a five year old: 

      Good actions do not cancel out bad actions.   If you save 500 people, but then go murder your neighbor the next day, the police don't just go "Well, you're a complex person, and you've still saved 499 overall, so it's fine!" 

      That doesn't happen.  What happens is that you pay for your crimes. 

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    • Yes, hellsy should pay for her crimes then correct?

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:
      Yes, hellsy should pay for her crimes then correct?

      Yes.   

      Osman already showed her mercy once, by not-executing her like Paragosky wanted, and by not sticking her at the bottom of the deepest, darkest hole they could find forever.  

      Instead she let Halsey keep working for the UNSC, though still under permanent arrest, but at least free to do some research.    I think, because on some level, Serin still regarded her as "mom" even after everything that had happened.   Hard to shake that Spartan-II conditioning.  

      Showing that mercy and indulging those feelings was probably a mistake.

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    • Gabriel Thorne wrote:

      Lord of the STARS wrote:
      Yes, hellsy should pay for her crimes then correct?

      Yes.   

      Osman already showed her mercy once, by not-executing her like Paragosky wanted, and by not sticking her at the bottom of the deepest, darkest hole they could find forever.  

      Instead she let Halsey keep working for the UNSC, though still under permanent arrest, but at least free to do some research.    I think, because on some level, Serin still regarded her as "mom" even after everything that had happened.   Hard to shake that Spartan-II conditioning.  

      Showing that mercy and indulging those feelings was probably a mistake.

      Then as planed it is brought right back to that, and this.... can we pleeeease do it my way for once?????

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    • Gabriel Thorne wrote:
      DMR4LIFE wrote: But he also took a country from the ashes, made Germany a world power again, and made the people proud to be German. But hey, yee see Halsey as a black or white character so why not see everything else as such? People, in yor opinion, cannot be complex and are either one thing, or another. 
      Nope, nope, nope.  Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.  

      I see you've made violent white-supremacism into "made the people proud to be German".    I guess I shouldn't be surprised that there is at least one Nazi-sympathizer on these forums.  Also, thanks for telling me my opinions, even though those aren't my opinions at all.   I see you're fond of putting words in people's mouths.  

      It doesn't matter how complex she is.   Some crimes override all complexity, do you not understand that?  Do you not understand that doing some good doesn't erase evil that a person has done?    

      This is why I said you're using childish logic, because you're reasoning this out like a fucking four year old.  There is no bank of moral credit where you can tip the scales in your favor.   Even a single wrong action condemns a person.  It doesn't matter if they've donated to charity all their lives and run an orphanage (or whatever),  if they go out and committ murder, they should go to jail and/or be executed. 

      If they betray their country or their nation and give aid to the enemy, it doesn't fucking matter what else they've done, how complex a person they are,  how they supposedly saved humanity, etc.   They're a fucking traitor now, and they should pay for it.    You don't get to just walk off and say "oops, my bad" when you do something like that, no matter what good you've done. 

      Didn't know seeing everyone has a human being made me a white supermacism. Anyway, fine, lets arrest John-117 then for disobeying a commanding officier and Laskey for helping him escape. I mean, as long as one person does on bad thing, they should be arrested in your opinion. I guess that means every time someone breaks the rules, they should be arrested, even if it was for the greater good. And by the way, how am I the "four year old" when I've been the one treating you with respect while you continue to shot down and slander me like you're some super genius out of harvard? In reality, you're not, your just like me, some average Joe who likes to spend their time on a Halo fourm. But while I am okay will listening to the ideas and opinion of others, you aren't. Either they agree with you or they don't, which makes them stupid apperantly. I guess I see why you love Osman so much and hate Halsey with a passion, because it seems to mirror how you handle everything else. But like you said, she is a traitor, she has broken laws, just like many other people we call heroes. John, Laskey, Plamer, Thel, and Forge aren't perfect, they have made mistakes, gone against or around the law, just like Halsey. But hey, to each his own. 

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    • whats your point? when it comes down to it we all deserve hell. I'm going into cryo now, wake me when this topic has moved on?

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:
      whats your point? when it comes down to it we all deserve hell. I'm going into cryo now, wake me when this topic has moved on?

      Doubt it will stars, but he'll probably respond soon enough. I'm basically done though, since neither one of us appears to be changing our opinion anytime soon. I did enjoy hearing his thoughts and ideas, though I wish he had been more civil. 

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    • Nowadays it's hard to encouter civil people. They tend to call "bullshit" on other's opinions disregarding the famous phrase: "To each his own". But oh well, I guess we'll have to deal with it through the rest of our lives. 

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    • Civilized beings never learn anyway.

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    • >existential sigh<

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    • Gabriel Thorne has a piont though.  Jusctice is blind.  If a poor beggar commits murduer, he should still go to jail.  If Dr. Halsey isn't stopped now she might kidnap more children and make them spartans with Jul Mdama's resources.  

      Also she took stole a spartan (Kelly) when earth was about to fall and the Universe was 2 sec. away from being sterilized.  She also took Blue team away from earth when they were needed most.  LIVES COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED if Dr. Halsey wasn't a prick.  Human lives.  

      Before you tell me i am being uncivil, you should consider how civil your response is. 

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    • Ok so the jury has spoken, dr hellsy is guilty, case closed, feed her to the jackals already. Come on, that should be happening by now.

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    • And I agree that Halsey has done things that would be considered bad. But so have other people, like John-117. He disobeyed direct orders from his CO to hand over Cortana. I guess as long as you save earth though, if doesn't really matter if you broke a few laws to do so. You're right Halsey, did do bad things and she deserves what ever punishment she gets. But that does not mean we can just ingore the good she also did for humanity. Is it an excuse? Not in a long shot. But does it mean she is a bad person? No, it just means she's human. 

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    • There's a difference between not handing over an AI on a secured ship and removing SPARTANs from the front lines when the Covies are attacking Earth.

      And by doing so, she betrayed the reason they became SPARTANs in the first place. Hard to protect humanity when you're locked up in a Shield World.

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    • this calls for a humorous complaint photo! aOH11wm.png

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    • Yah I know, not mocking harshly enough. my apologies.

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote:
       But so have other people, like John-117. He disobeyed direct orders from his CO to hand over Cortana.

      CENTCOM had Captain Del-Rio court martialed for giving him that order, and for then abandoning him and Cortana on Requiem.   Not a good example in your favor.   Lasky and Palmer didn't follow that order either, because it was a monumentally stupid order and showed criminal levels of incompetence. 

      I'm sure you'll respond with some other inane thing about "good and bad", though, since you seem to have a desperate need to have the last word. 

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    • No, I'm just not going to waste my time any more, I've said my opinion and you've said yours. Case closed and we're back to exactly where we started. 

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    • This... was an odd chain of conversation. Both damning and praising of human (and kig-yar) nature.

      Anyway, back on topic...

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    • In all these months I've never seen a thread staying on topic. I doubt we will manage to do it now.

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    • Commando Trooper wrote: In all these months I've never seen a thread staying on topic. I doubt we will manage to do it now.

      Weal now their seems to be 2 new people who seem to be of the cult of normality and fitting in, I desperately hope I'm wrong.

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    • Agent Hawaii wrote: This... was an odd chain of conversation. Both damning and praising of human (and kig-yar) nature.

      Anyway, back on topic...

      You know, while I was gone I have thought of something.... though it is true that we kig-yar have intelligence, ingenuity, and a nature to not be lazy, as well as the ability to learn far superior to humans, still, we are just as guilty as living a sinful life. So perhaps that isn't a good thing after all? what if it only means we will perform after the wickedness in our hearts even more effectively? Perhaps in the end, it only makes us the greater of the 2 fools? Everything we use, our clothing, our food, the air we breath, what we eat, our weapons, our armor, everything, was already copy righted before we even got our hands on it, yet we continue to survive... are we truly contributing in this great universe where we in some way are all connected? Many no longer know what to believe, but as for me, I believe who ever the true gods are, always in the end punish the ones who do not contribute in the great web of life. Perhaps we are not to be praised after all?

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:

      Agent Hawaii wrote: This... was an odd chain of conversation. Both damning and praising of human (and kig-yar) nature.

      Anyway, back on topic...

      You know, while I was gone I have thought of something.... though it is true that we kig-yar have intelligence, ingenuity, and a nature to not be lazy, as well as the ability to learn far superior to humans, still, we are just as guilty as living a sinful life. So perhaps that isn't a good thing after all? what if it only means we will perform after the wickedness in our hearts even more effectively? Perhaps in the end, it only makes us the greater of the 2 fools? Everything we use, our clothing, our food, the air we breath, what we eat, our weapons, our armor, everything, was already copy righted before we even got our hands on it, yet we continue to survive... are we truly contributing in this great universe where we in some way are all connected? Many no longer know what to believe, but as for me, I believe who ever the true gods are, always in the end punish the ones who do not contribute in the great web of life. Perhaps we are not to be praised after all?

      You know as much as I despise posting long comments and 3 in a row (and especially despise when it requires waiting weeks to not do so and fail and some one notices.) I just wanted to point this out because theirs only a 0.3% chance that some one will figure it out on their own and its about time I adknolige that before some one else converts their anger into confusion at my fault. See, what I wrote up their in that quote ^ You may think its off topic now, but when you think about it, yes it is on topic. How? Weal you see, deep down in dr halsys heart, she only cares about her self just because she believes her self to be the smartest person in the universe. Yet just like all of them, she failed to realize, no matter how smart you are, if you are not wise, its all in vain.

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:

      Lord of the STARS wrote:

      Agent Hawaii wrote: This... was an odd chain of conversation. Both damning and praising of human (and kig-yar) nature.

      Anyway, back on topic...

      You know, while I was gone I have thought of something.... though it is true that we kig-yar have intelligence, ingenuity, and a nature to not be lazy, as well as the ability to learn far superior to humans, still, we are just as guilty as living a sinful life. So perhaps that isn't a good thing after all? what if it only means we will perform after the wickedness in our hearts even more effectively? Perhaps in the end, it only makes us the greater of the 2 fools? Everything we use, our clothing, our food, the air we breath, what we eat, our weapons, our armor, everything, was already copy righted before we even got our hands on it, yet we continue to survive... are we truly contributing in this great universe where we in some way are all connected? Many no longer know what to believe, but as for me, I believe who ever the true gods are, always in the end punish the ones who do not contribute in the great web of life. Perhaps we are not to be praised after all?

      You know as much as I despise posting long comments and 3 in a row (and especially despise when it requires waiting weeks to not do so and fail and some one notices.) I just wanted to point this out because theirs only a 0.3% chance that some one will figure it out on their own and its about time I adknolige that before some one else converts their anger into confusion at my fault. See, what I wrote up their in that quote ^ You may think its off topic now, but when you think about it, yes it is on topic. How? Weal you see, deep down in dr halsys heart, she only cares about her self just because she believes her self to be the smartest person in the universe. Yet just like all of them, she failed to realize, no matter how smart you are, if you are not wise, its all in vain.

      Beautiful. Brought a tear to my eye.

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    • @DMR4LIFE  you should not judge people on what they did 32 years ago.  Good or Bad.  People change.  Dr. halsey did not singal handedly save humanity.  The UNSC forked over alot of cash and other officers trained the children.  It just seems like lately (2552 and beyond) she has been extremely selfish and any time anyone criticises her she falls back on the "32 years ago my work helped save humanity".  

      Now part 2. The S-2 program was not something to be proud of.  75 5-6 year olds were kidnapped from there families and sent to a far away planet to be brutaly trained.  Most of there missions would be considered 'reckless abandonment' in today's society.  You and me could go to jail and get our children taken away if we tried to do that to our kids.  Also Dr. halsey knew the augmentation were a death sentence to most of the 14 year olds that underwent augmentation.  This lead to the murduer of 30 14 year olds and crippling of 12 others.  Dr. Halsey is even worse than the Boston Bombers.  You don't believe me just look at the spartan 2 program on the wiki. 

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    • the boston bombers, something about it reminds me of bombingham Alabama.

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    • 173.191.232.169 wrote: @DMR4LIFE  you should not judge people on what they did 32 years ago.  Good or Bad.  People change.  Dr. halsey did not singal handedly save humanity.  The UNSC forked over alot of cash and other officers trained the children.  It just seems like lately (2552 and beyond) she has been extremely selfish and any time anyone criticises her she falls back on the "32 years ago my work helped save humanity".  

      Now part 2. The S-2 program was not something to be proud of.  75 5-6 year olds were kidnapped from there families and sent to a far away planet to be brutaly trained.  Most of there missions would be considered 'reckless abandonment' in today's society.  You and me could go to jail and get our children taken away if we tried to do that to our kids.  Also Dr. halsey knew the augmentation were a death sentence to most of the 14 year olds that underwent augmentation.  This lead to the murduer of 30 14 year olds and crippling of 12 others.  Dr. Halsey is even worse than the Boston Bombers.  You don't believe me just look at the spartan 2 program on the wiki. 

      The Boston Bombers didn't save humanity. I'm not saying that what she did was right, especially since they were developed for the innies rather than the Covenant, but let's face it, if she hadn't done it, everything would be dead. Except the Didact.

      Morality is never black and white. Everything is objective.

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    • Agent Hawaii wrote:

      173.191.232.169 wrote: @DMR4LIFE  you should not judge people on what they did 32 years ago.  Good or Bad.  People change.  Dr. halsey did not singal handedly save humanity.  The UNSC forked over alot of cash and other officers trained the children.  It just seems like lately (2552 and beyond) she has been extremely selfish and any time anyone criticises her she falls back on the "32 years ago my work helped save humanity".  

      Now part 2. The S-2 program was not something to be proud of.  75 5-6 year olds were kidnapped from there families and sent to a far away planet to be brutaly trained.  Most of there missions would be considered 'reckless abandonment' in today's society.  You and me could go to jail and get our children taken away if we tried to do that to our kids.  Also Dr. halsey knew the augmentation were a death sentence to most of the 14 year olds that underwent augmentation.  This lead to the murduer of 30 14 year olds and crippling of 12 others.  Dr. Halsey is even worse than the Boston Bombers.  You don't believe me just look at the spartan 2 program on the wiki. 

      The Boston Bombers didn't save humanity. I'm not saying that what she did was right, especially since they were developed for the innies rather than the Covenant, but let's face it, if she hadn't done it, everything would be dead. Except the Didact.

      Morality is never black and white. Everything is objective.

      Exactly, no one said what she did was right. All I'm saying is everything depends on what side of the table you're looking at it from. What she did to those kids was questionable, but you can't argue the results. I do love that ONI didn't really care about how what Halsry did to those 75 children until after the war. It's like "Great job and thanks for saving humanity, but we're going to have to arrest you now for your crimes against humanity." I get it, unless the children's parents were okay with what was going to be done to them, then Halsey should be in jail. Not to also mention she has become selfish and betrayed humanity, though if humanity wanted me dead, I would probably do the same just cause I wouldn't want to die. 

      The reason I got fed up earlier was because people, instead of being civil about this discussion, slandered me for having a different opinion. We can be on opposite sides, but that doesn't mean your argument isn't less valid then mine. So I will say thank you 173.191.232.169 and Agent Hawaii (hope that's a rvb joke) for your insite. 

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    • It is indeed an RvB joke. It was either that or Agent Pacific Ocean.

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    • Halsey is a super intelligent type who's scientific curiosity often comes before logic. She's not going to turn traitor to the UNSC because even after being shot she still gave half of the forerunner map to Spartan Thorn and Jul is a cunning ruthless Elite (who only uses religion to control his army) if Halsey doesn't act like she'll help him he'll totally kill her. The Librarian trusted Halsey enough to give her the map in the first place and she's still the smartest scientist the UNSC has. But as the lore deepens it has to deal with the not so thought out cool sci-fi lore Bungie made up for Halo 1. After all playing a lone Spartan 2 super soilder trained and genetically modified since childhood to be the unltimate badass sounds awesome on paper as a hook but when you flesh out the lore to be more adult it gets kinda evil. In the end Halsey is still a character aligned more on the side of good than anything.

      Also side note while the Spartans did save humanity on several occasions MC specifically. Preston Cole I think was more responsible for ultimatly winning the war.  

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    • No, she gave half of the key to Thorne BEFORE being shot, not after.

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    • Commando Trooper wrote:
      No, she gave half of the key to Thorne BEFORE being shot, not after.

      your right she might become a rogue agent to avoid the UNSC but she's not going to turn full traitor and help Jul destroy humanity.

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    • Yeah. I agree.

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    • Especially because, however you put it, she's included in that bracket. :)

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    • Agent Hawaii wrote: Especially because, however you put it, she's included in that bracket. :)

      Bracket.... you mean like this?
      Like this

      ?

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    • ...No.

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    • I think Halsey is tricking the storm becuz she stated in first strike that no more humans would die for the greater good.

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    • 71.202.72.127 wrote:
      I think Halsey is tricking the storm becuz she stated in first strike that no more humans would die for the greater good.

      And then she got shot by humans. Look, I wanna think she's not going to turn aganist humanity, but I think she just wants to see the UNSC and ONI burn. 

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    • weeeal, they order her to do a bunch of things they latter arrest her for, I'd imagine so.

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    • DR. Halsey did not save humanity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how many times do i have to say it?  the arbiter saved humanity with his alliance.  Even with master cheif earth would have still been glassed.  all the spartan program did was buy time.  Weather master cheif was alive or not the elites still would have been betrayed/ genocided and 343 GS would have still told the arbiter the truth in the control room.  I will say it again, Dr. halsey did not save humanity.  

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    • besides, the Spartan contribution to the cause was a accident, they where invented to fight terrorists.

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    • well that was their first reason why the unsc created them

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    • Yeah somehow breaking high profile terrorist terror rings is not as fun as blowing covanent up. 

      There purpose for being created is not the cornerstone of my aurgument though.  All i am saying is that from the big picture the spartan 2's only killed like 10 covanent ships and alot of infantry.  And they still can't stop planets from being glassed.  Arbiter's fleet however can stop planets from being glassed and can do alot more damage that one soldier (no mater how strong he might be). 

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    • 173.191.232.169 wrote:
      Yeah somehow breaking high profile terrorist terror rings is not as fun as blowing covanent up. 

      There purpose for being created is not the cornerstone of my aurgument though.  All i am saying is that from the big picture the spartan 2's only killed like 10 covanent ships and alot of infantry.  And they still can't stop planets from being glassed.  Arbiter's fleet however can stop planets from being glassed and can do alot more damage that one soldier (no mater how strong he might be). 

      yeah and halsey lied when she said that her work saved the human race

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    • 173.191.232.169 wrote:
      DR. Halsey did not save humanity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how many times do i have to say it?  the arbiter saved humanity with his alliance.  Even with master cheif earth would have still been glassed.  all the spartan program did was buy time.  Weather master cheif was alive or not the elites still would have been betrayed/ genocided and 343 GS would have still told the arbiter the truth in the control room.  I will say it again, Dr. halsey did not save humanity.  

      though without halsey, the spartan two program never would have happened, which means the war is alot quicker and the elites never make the alliance. So, in directly, she did help save humanity by creating the one thing the covenant couldn't beat, John-117. 

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    • weal naturally, who hear can raise your hand and say you have ever told the truth?

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    • DMR4LIFE wrote:

      173.191.232.169 wrote:
      DR. Halsey did not save humanity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how many times do i have to say it?  the arbiter saved humanity with his alliance.  Even with master cheif earth would have still been glassed.  all the spartan program did was buy time.  Weather master cheif was alive or not the elites still would have been betrayed/ genocided and 343 GS would have still told the arbiter the truth in the control room.  I will say it again, Dr. halsey did not save humanity.  

      though without halsey, the spartan two program never would have happened, which means the war is alot quicker and the elites never make the alliance. So, in directly, she did help save humanity by creating the one thing the covenant couldn't beat, John-117. 

      also with out the Spartan 2's their would be no 3s or 4s.

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    • Lord of the STARS wrote:
      weal naturally, who hear can raise your hand and say you have ever told the truth?

      its not the problem that she lied the problem is that she used the spartan program as an excuse for her crimes well not only her crimes if you what i mean

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    • The Spartans were created to fight terrorists so yeah the covenant was unexpected however the Spartans did save humanity on a number of occasions. They destroyed giant covenant shipyards halting the covenant advance they helped enforce the Cole protocol a few times saving Earth from early annihlation. Also MC saved the universe/humanity included by stopping the covenant at halo and destroying the instilation before it was set off. The Arbiters alliance did change the tide ultimatly the main cause for victory but the earth would have been long dead if not for the Spartans. The MC is also directly responsible for destroying the gravemind and stopping the flood on the Ark with the Arbiters help of course.

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    • Technically though, the covenant where terrorists, so, I'd say they did what they where made for. :) uuuhhhhh, sort of.

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    • There will be en masse series of problems that gonna happen once Halo 5 gets made. When it does, chaos shall rain, betrayals lay everywhere, dark secrets revealed, allies will be broken into pieces, the corrupt shall rule the galaxy, the Ancient Ones are reawakening once more, and there's only few individuals capable of putting an end to this nightmare and I get this strange feeling that "Dr. Halsey" is not the "key" of ending the intergalactic crisis.

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    • So all of you are saying this should go a la Star Wars?

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    • Well, Halsey won't betray the whole of humanity but I'll be damned if she doesn't kick Osman's ass first. With the way Osman is running ONI, can you really blame John if he decides to go rogue against them and help Halsey?

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    • tell me more, about Osman.

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    • thanks

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    • I feel like Hasley is going to get the other half of the key from the unsc somehow. Then i think she will develop and even more advanced spartan program and take down the oni with Master chief Arbiter and agent locke. I do not think the next game will focus on this though i think its going to focus on master chief leaving the unsc.

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    • Gabriel Thorne wrote:
      That's childish logic. 

      She still stole Spartans from Earth during the battle for Earth, and then broke out of imprisonment and fled into the arms of a known enemy.  

      It doesn't matter what else she's done.  She is a traitor.  Whatever justifications, feelings, etc that she makes up to rationalize that don't matter. 

      "A Good act does not wash out the bad, nor the bad the good." Stannis Baratheon, A Clash of Kings.

      She should be commended for contributed for assissting humanity in it's most dire hours.

      But she must also face justice for the crimes she commited against the UNSC and the UEG.

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    • Stark of Winterfell wrote:
      Gabriel Thorne wrote:
      That's childish logic. 

      She still stole Spartans from Earth during the battle for Earth, and then broke out of imprisonment and fled into the arms of a known enemy.  

      It doesn't matter what else she's done.  She is a traitor.  Whatever justifications, feelings, etc that she makes up to rationalize that don't matter. 

      "A Good act does not wash out the bad, nor the bad the good." Stannis Baratheon, A Clash of Kings.

      She should be commended for contributed for assissting humanity in it's most dire hours.

      But she must also face justice for the crimes she commited against the UNSC and the UEG.

      This is where the element of remorse comes in. Obviously, as a third-party observer, you can see that she cares for her spartans and feels disgusted at herself for what she did

      She isn't an obsessive kidnapper, nor is she a monster. Right now, she's simply a regretful mother. Obviously, the oni or the rest of the halo universe may not know how she feels, and prosecuting her would be logical, for the gamers/readers, most would forgive her for what she did, and that's where i stand

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    • She has to go back to the UNSC canonically. She can't die, or remain with the Remnant for long, because she narrated the Reach trailer, which is canonical.

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    • Uhhh, wouldn't narrating the reach trailer be breaking the 4rth wall???

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    • The Reach trailer was just her reading a eulogy to Noble Team.

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    • riiiiiight, because noble team was after jewel madam, I get it now.

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    • The eulogy was in 2589, even though Noble died in 2552.

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    • Halsy is still alive in 2589???? I hope I can live that long. But wait, I thought 2589 hasn't happened yet, or is that a prophesy?

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    • She's only 97 in 2589. By 2552, many humans live past that age.

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    • Do they have a average life span of 400 years?

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    • I don't think it is that long. I'm estimating, from the lore I've seen, about 150 years tops.

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    • Halsey will probably be like cortana in Halo 3, when she was having the discussion with gravemind about humanity being terrible, and her saying she is doing what she is doing, siding with chief because well... she loves him. When you are searching for her on the ship and you her them talking as it goes in and out.

      Halsey and Cortana share a similar brain structure since Cortana is a copy of Halsey's brain more or less, just a younger version. What Cortana does is what Halsey would most likely do if she was given the intelligence that Cortana has, that raw processing power, as seen in Halo one, when she told the chief to shut up as she learned everything in the Halo Archive.

      They have different memories, but the part of thoughts and perception that is governmed by the structure of her brain, is similiar if not exact from when Halsey did the copy.

      Halsey seeks knowledge and advancement she wants to know everything in existence. She was like a child when the Librarian gave her that key. She helped Jul to open the Library holo thing(forgot the term for the device used to replicate a long dead conscious in the series, that the forerunners used, but same thing)  anyway.. she did it for the knowledge.

      She wants freedom to do her research that stupid humanity is preventing.. this comes from the age old issue seen in the 1600s and earlier-- sorry forgot the era of Copernicus -- out of religion his thoughts, as galileos and others were shunned and they were jailed, coper was killed. In the halo world and even in our current world, people will scorn advancements if it hurts their position/power. The advancement, a quantum leap for humanity would cause many problems for the military, ONI. Old greedy idiots sitting ontop of human civilization, even the forrunners were plagued by that... didact.. My point is she wants to learn, and she will do what it takes to learn.

      The Librarian shown that she trusts Halsey, how Halsey is reflected in the series, shows she is very logical but passionate, and loves the Spartans, and chief being one of the last... loves him alot, as seen when she was upset to find the chief was alive but was not told about it. She also has shown she wants to advance humanity

      Also the librarian made Halsey essentially the new librarian by essentially giving her access to forerunners tech with those keys, all of it, its an index of every forerunner thing.. a library ... Chief defeated the Didact -- The head of the military of forerunner civilization. Medicant bias -- AI led to the destruction of the forerunners, Cortana saved Humanity, even after talking with gravemind, unlike Medicant. Laskey seems to be important in the series as well, making a movie after all.. Laskey might be the replacement for the Master Builder...

      Those 4 at the head of human civilization would guarantee for a time, proper advacement of civilization, until they die.

      Master Builder -- Laskey 

      AI -- Cortana

      Librarian -- Halsey

      Didact -- Master Chief

      BTW having access to all forunner tech would allow Halsey to restore cortana considering Medicant bias lasted a super long time.  Also gives rise to longer lifespans.



      Halsey is doing the eulogy.. then because welll they had to rebuild it and it was not that long after the human convenant war ended... mandkind had to rebuild and recolonize it along with the fact the EUG had to get money to recolonize it and make up for over 50% of the human race that was murdered by the covenant...

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    • thread revive alert.

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    • Is there any information on the retrival of the other half of the Janus key or any new info on what happens after Halsey joins the Covenant Remnant?

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    • Necromany is not allowed here.

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    • Rnagiuh wrote:
      Is there any information on the retrival of the other half of the Janus key or any new info on what happens after Halsey joins the Covenant Remnant?

      If you can bear to sit through through Halo 5's campaign, you'll see Halsey a lot (probably too much - she has no bearing on the story but is still riddled throughout it for no reason). The explanation of what happened after Spartan Ops can be found in the Halo: Escalation comic series. Be warned, though, the quality of Escalation fluctuates from alright to the downright worst piece of Halo media available.

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    • 90.222.181.65 wrote:
      she turns into a bad guy for a bit but then she goes back to humanity side because it says she was at reach in 2589 doing a speach about noble 6 and she was 97 at that time

      What? Where is this wrtitten or filmed or something? 

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    • Spartan Ops and Halo Reach's epilogue, respectively.

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